70 Years Ago Today....

sharkbit · 09-01-09, 09:44 AM

...the horror began.

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Brag · 09-01-09, 11:08 AM

Horror is the correct word.

Sailor Steve · 09-01-09, 11:18 AM

Yes indeed, it was this day. I remember commemorating the 50th anniversary. Hard for me to believe that one was twenty years ago.

Bosje · 09-01-09, 11:30 AM

makes me feel like a beer commercial
sink em all! but remember kids, war is hell

still, it's amazing to think that it's already been 70 years. my oldest living relative served in the Dutch army may '40. the guy is 90 now, damn

hats off to those who did it for real

Jimbuna · 09-01-09, 12:42 PM

Yes, unlike those few who are left that gave service in WWI, there are still many living who served in WWII.

~SALUTE~

Mopy · 09-01-09, 12:54 PM

Terrible time for all involved, and lessons learned will be remembered for a long time to come I hope.

09-01-09, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mopy

Terrible time for all involved, and lessons learned will be remembered for a long time to come I hope.

I sure hope history is the greatest teacher for all humankind. Unfortunetlly untill we have two versions of history existing there is no guarantees about that. First version is the one that knows everybody, and the second which is tweaked by Kremlin a bit.. to make it a bit more "comfortable" to see for themseves this way denying or not accepting certain facts..

Torvald Von Mansee · 09-01-09, 02:08 PM

Torvald Von Mansee · 09-01-09, 02:09 PM

(I'm wrong, aren't I?)

sharkbit · 09-01-09, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GalaKev

Daft bit if the war had not happened I may not have been here, as they met because of the war.

Or if that bomb that landed near them had exploded.

Spike88 · 09-01-09, 02:42 PM

Its funny, today is the anniversary for the beginning of the war, tomorrow is the anniversary for the ending of the war.

09-01-09, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike88

Its funny, today is the anniversary for the beginning of the war, tomorrow is the anniversary for the ending of the war.

Yes but tomorrows anniversary does not end in a zero or a five and so will pass largely unnoticed. Odd how that works...

Good Hunting

java`s revenge · 09-01-09, 03:30 PM

If that war wasn`t happened i must have met my grandparents
of my father`s side.

They were killed by a british bomb on 27 june 1940

JHuschke · 09-01-09, 04:19 PM

I will never forget World War I nor World War II. Notice how easy the Americans get into the war..

The Germans knew that the allies depended on food, equipment and other supplies from both U.S. and their overseas empires. If Germany could strangle that trade, it could starve out the British and French into surrender. To get around Britain's blockade, the Germans deployed submarines known as U-boats "Unterseeboot/Underwater boat". In February 1915, the Germans announced that they would attempt to sink without warning to any ship that was sighted in waters around Great Britain.

Germany's announcement triggered outrage in the U.S. and elsewhere. Attacking civilian vessels without warning was a violation of an international treaty stipulating that military vessels must reveal their intentions to merchant ships and make provisions for the safety of the targeted ship's crew and passengers before firing upon it. The Germans claimed that many merchant ships were actually warships in disguise and that their U-boats would be placed at great risk if they were to reveal themselves before firing.

The issue reached a crisis on May 7, 1915. Despite warnings from Germany, the British passenger liner Lusitania entered the war zone. A submerged German submarine, U-20. Killing nearly 1,200 passengers including 128 Americans. Many Americans regarded the attack as an act of terrorism, not war. The Americans and British denied, saying there were no munitions or war provisions on board the Lusitania.The German government, claiming in an official statement that she had been armed with guns, and had had "large quantities of war material" in her cargo..They also stated that since she was classed as an auxiliary cruiser, Germany had had a right to destroy her regardless of any passengers aboard, and that the warnings issued by the German Embassy prior to her sailing plus the 18 February note declaring the existence of "war zones", relieved Germany of any responsibility for the deaths of American citizens aboard. Her cargo had included an estimated 4,200,000 rounds of rifle cartridges, 1,250 empty shell cases, and 18 cases of non-explosive fuses, all of which were listed in her manifest, but the cartridges were not officially classed as ammunition by the Cunard Line.

The British Navy attempted to destroy the wreck in the 1950s to conceal its military cargo. Researcher, Gregg Bemis who found Lusitania and excavated the site said, "The charge that the Lusitania was carrying war materiel is valid, She was a legitimate target for the German submarine."

In late March 1916, President Wilson's (U.S.) policy was tested when a U-boat torpedoed the French passenger ship Sussex, injuring a few Americans on board it. Wilson chose to issue one last warning. Germany didn't want the allies strengthened by drawing the U.S. into the war. It promised with certain conditions to sink no more merchant ships without warning.

JHuschke · 09-01-09, 04:54 PM

I do, but it is sad that all these countries were wanting to be involved. Britain and the U.S., and when Britain and France came together it started questioning with the Russian forces (who to join), so therfore thats why there were so many countries in a war against one.

09-01-09, 09:44 AM	#1
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09-01-09, 11:18 AM	#3
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Yes indeed, it was this day. I remember commemorating the 50th anniversary. Hard for me to believe that one was twenty years ago. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

09-01-09, 11:30 AM	#4
Bosje Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 732 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	makes me feel like a beer commercial sink em all! but remember kids, war is hell still, it's amazing to think that it's already been 70 years. my oldest living relative served in the Dutch army may '40. the guy is 90 now, damn hats off to those who did it for real __________________ And when an 800-ton Uboat has you by the tits... you listen!

09-01-09, 12:42 PM	#5
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Yes, unlike those few who are left that gave service in WWI, there are still many living who served in WWII. ~SALUTE~ __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-01-09, 12:54 PM	#6
Mopy Torpedoman Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 118 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Terrible time for all involved, and lessons learned will be remembered for a long time to come I hope.

09-01-09, 02:08 PM	#8
Torvald Von Mansee Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: CA4528 Posts: 1,693 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	__________________ "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you" - Leon Trotsky

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Torvald Von Mansee Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: CA4528 Posts: 1,693 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	(I'm wrong, aren't I?) __________________ "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you" - Leon Trotsky

09-01-09, 02:42 PM	#11
Spike88 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 3,052 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Its funny, today is the anniversary for the beginning of the war, tomorrow is the anniversary for the ending of the war. __________________

09-01-09, 03:30 PM	#13
java`s revenge Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: at periscope depth Posts: 1,204 Downloads: 97 Uploads: 0	If that war wasn`t happened i must have met my grandparents of my father`s side. They were killed by a british bomb on 27 june 1940 __________________

09-01-09, 04:19 PM	#14
JHuschke XO Join Date: May 2008 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 432 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I will never forget World War I nor World War II. Notice how easy the Americans get into the war.. The Germans knew that the allies depended on food, equipment and other supplies from both U.S. and their overseas empires. If Germany could strangle that trade, it could starve out the British and French into surrender. To get around Britain's blockade, the Germans deployed submarines known as U-boats "Unterseeboot/Underwater boat". In February 1915, the Germans announced that they would attempt to sink without warning to any ship that was sighted in waters around Great Britain. Germany's announcement triggered outrage in the U.S. and elsewhere. Attacking civilian vessels without warning was a violation of an international treaty stipulating that military vessels must reveal their intentions to merchant ships and make provisions for the safety of the targeted ship's crew and passengers before firing upon it. The Germans claimed that many merchant ships were actually warships in disguise and that their U-boats would be placed at great risk if they were to reveal themselves before firing. The issue reached a crisis on May 7, 1915. Despite warnings from Germany, the British passenger liner Lusitania entered the war zone. A submerged German submarine, U-20. Killing nearly 1,200 passengers including 128 Americans. Many Americans regarded the attack as an act of terrorism, not war. The Americans and British denied, saying there were no munitions or war provisions on board the Lusitania.The German government, claiming in an official statement that she had been armed with guns, and had had "large quantities of war material" in her cargo..They also stated that since she was classed as an auxiliary cruiser, Germany had had a right to destroy her regardless of any passengers aboard, and that the warnings issued by the German Embassy prior to her sailing plus the 18 February note declaring the existence of "war zones", relieved Germany of any responsibility for the deaths of American citizens aboard. Her cargo had included an estimated 4,200,000 rounds of rifle cartridges, 1,250 empty shell cases, and 18 cases of non-explosive fuses, all of which were listed in her manifest, but the cartridges were not officially classed as ammunition by the Cunard Line. The British Navy attempted to destroy the wreck in the 1950s to conceal its military cargo. Researcher, Gregg Bemis who found Lusitania and excavated the site said, "The charge that the Lusitania was carrying war materiel is valid, She was a legitimate target for the German submarine." In late March 1916, President Wilson's (U.S.) policy was tested when a U-boat torpedoed the French passenger ship Sussex, injuring a few Americans on board it. Wilson chose to issue one last warning. Germany didn't want the allies strengthened by drawing the U.S. into the war. It promised with certain conditions to sink no more merchant ships without warning.

09-01-09, 04:54 PM	#15
JHuschke XO Join Date: May 2008 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 432 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I do, but it is sad that all these countries were wanting to be involved. Britain and the U.S., and when Britain and France came together it started questioning with the Russian forces (who to join), so therfore thats why there were so many countries in a war against one.