is the Obama Care money issue this simple?

GoldenRivet · 08-04-09, 12:45 PM

QUESTION: Where does the money used to pay for obama's SocialistCare come from?

ANSWER: The Federal Government

QUESTION: Where does the Federal Government get its money?

ANSWER: From you, the tax payer

QUESTION: So explain to me again how my tax money is not paying for SocialistCare?

ANSWER: Ummmm....

FIREWALL · 08-04-09, 12:50 PM

Beleive it or not John. There's people on THIS website that want You to pay their Freight.

Sailor Steve · 08-04-09, 12:53 PM

That's always been my biggest headache with people who want social reforms: convincing them that government cannot create revenues. It produces nothing worth buying, so it can only exist by taxes. In the case of police and fire departments, road construction, even the military, this is a necessary thing. I was going to say good, but it is my confirmed belief that the only way to guarantee a safe government is to mandate that anyone in a position to levy taxes be required to understand that they are, in the best cases, still only a necessary evil.

Of course that's also impossible.

Another fun one: when I say that government makes no money, I always get the answer "That's silly. The government is the only one who can make money." Explaining that printing paper that says 'Money' on it and actually earning revenue are two entirely different things is an excersise in frustration.

AVGWarhawk · 08-04-09, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Beleive it or not John. There's people on THIS website that want You to pay their Freight.

GASP!!!! NFW!!!

Of course there is.

FIREWALL · 08-04-09, 12:58 PM

Very well put Steve.

Why is it taxpayers are told not to spend more than we bring in ?

But Government doe's it with a passion.

AVGWarhawk · 08-04-09, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Very well put Steve.

Why is it taxpayers are told not to spend more than we bring in ?

But Government doe's it with a passion.

Because they can

Tchocky · 08-04-09, 01:42 PM

Weeeell, most countries that adopt single-payer health care spend less of their GDP on healthcare than the United States, and achieve better or comparable results.

quick wiki link- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_..._in_comparison

So, if the government pays for health care financed through taxes, and the country spends less money on healthcare overall, then you've got more money to spend on other things. In a way, the government is helping out.

Being paid for in tax revenues, naturally this runs up against the taxes-are-bad idea.

EDIT - Socialism! It'll eat your children!

SteamWake · 08-04-09, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Weeeell, most countries that adopt single-payer health care spend less of their GDP on healthcare than the United States, and achieve better or comparable results.!

Yes of course thats why people from all over the world come to the US for care.

http://yedda.com/questions/Canadian_...1869107797311/

Max2147 · 08-04-09, 02:48 PM

People from all over the world also go to Cuba for medical care. Does that mean their system is better than ours?

SteamWake · 08-04-09, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Max2147

People from all over the world also go to Cuba for medical care. Does that mean their system is better than ours?

Only one that Im aware of is Michal Moore :rotfl:

No really who the hell goes to Cuba for healthcare?

Sea Demon · 08-04-09, 02:57 PM

Well, the other side of the coin is I don't see many Americans leaving the USA to get health care abroad.

AVGWarhawk · 08-04-09, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Well, the other side of the coin is I don't see many Americans leaving the USA to get health care abroad.

Some do so they can attempt some radical type cures. Farrah Fawcett went to Germany for a radical type procedure for her cancer if I'm not mistaken.

AVGWarhawk · 08-04-09, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Only one that Im aware of is Michal Moore :rotfl:

No really who the hell goes to Cuba for healthcare?

Cuba, healthcare? Cuba is not really known for healthcare. Cigars and old cars maybe.

Sea Demon · 08-04-09, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Some do so they can attempt some radical type cures. Farrah Fawcett went to Germany for a radical type procedure for her cancer if I'm not mistaken.

Correct. That's why I said "not many". When they do, it always seems to be something radical in mind they seek. Most don't seek health care abroad because what they get here is better for the most part (routine health care and procedures).

FIREWALL · 08-04-09, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Some do so they can attempt some radical type cures. Farrah Fawcett went to Germany for a radical type procedure for her cancer if I'm not mistaken.

For what good it did her.

08-04-09, 12:45 PM	#1
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	is the Obama Care money issue this simple? QUESTION: Where does the money used to pay for obama's SocialistCare come from? ANSWER: The Federal Government QUESTION: Where does the Federal Government get its money? ANSWER: From you, the tax payer QUESTION: So explain to me again how my tax money is not paying for SocialistCare? ANSWER: Ummmm.... __________________

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FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Beleive it or not John. There's people on THIS website that want You to pay their Freight. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

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Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	That's always been my biggest headache with people who want social reforms: convincing them that government cannot create revenues. It produces nothing worth buying, so it can only exist by taxes. In the case of police and fire departments, road construction, even the military, this is a necessary thing. I was going to say good, but it is my confirmed belief that the only way to guarantee a safe government is to mandate that anyone in a position to levy taxes be required to understand that they are, in the best cases, still only a necessary evil. Of course that's also impossible. Another fun one: when I say that government makes no money, I always get the answer "That's silly. The government is the only one who can make money." Explaining that printing paper that says 'Money' on it and actually earning revenue are two entirely different things is an excersise in frustration. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

08-04-09, 12:58 PM	#5
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Very well put Steve. Why is it taxpayers are told not to spend more than we bring in ? But Government doe's it with a passion. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

08-04-09, 01:42 PM	#7
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Weeeell, most countries that adopt single-payer health care spend less of their GDP on healthcare than the United States, and achieve better or comparable results. quick wiki link- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_..._in_comparison So, if the government pays for health care financed through taxes, and the country spends less money on healthcare overall, then you've got more money to spend on other things. In a way, the government is helping out. Being paid for in tax revenues, naturally this runs up against the taxes-are-bad idea. EDIT - Socialism! It'll eat your children! __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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Max2147 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 714 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	People from all over the world also go to Cuba for medical care. Does that mean their system is better than ours?

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Sea Demon Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,552 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Well, the other side of the coin is I don't see many Americans leaving the USA to get health care abroad.