No such thing as "Neutral" convoys anymore!!

ddiplock · 07-21-09, 05:05 PM

Either someone at BDU has made a glorious cockup, or someone is disseminating false reports out to the uboats. I recieved a report of a large Neutral convoy heading my way, and since they are neutral, I normally ignore such reports.

But tonight, for some reason, my interest was piqued and I plotted a rough course. Amid rain and heavy fog I found myself accidently AMONG the convoy and fired upon....neutral "my stern tubes" to borrow I phrase I heard someone use here!!

The convoy had one Greek ship in it, the rest from what I could see were a mix of primarily BRITISH and a few AUSTRALIAN ships. This was a "neutral" convoy full of enemy ships!!! After a light depth charging in the shallow waters, of which U100 survived unscathed despite being picked up a couple of times on the ASDIC, all was well and I sailed away.

However, from now on, I think in future all so called "Neutral" convoys that are reported in my area will be treated first and foremost as an enemy convoy, until neutrality can be verified.

Does anyone else prosecute neutral convoys at all?

Ford Prefect · 07-21-09, 05:32 PM

It's caused by how the game builds convoys, there is one central ship around which all others are anchored, if this ship is neutral the convoy counts as neutral even if it's the only neutral ship there.
For this reason I always investigate all convoy reports.

DaveU186 · 07-21-09, 05:39 PM

Personally, if they're being escorted by the enemy, they're going down whatever flag they're flying.

ddiplock · 07-21-09, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveU186

Personally, if they're being escorted by the enemy, they're going down whatever flag they're flying.

Yeah, I was quite shocked to be honest. But in future, I shall intercept all convoys, neutral or otherwise

There were some real beuts in this convoy too, tankers, whaling ships....if only I'd known before hand!!! Could've racked up some serious tonnage there.

next time....next time....

Kpt. Weyprecht · 07-21-09, 06:33 PM

After all, if they really were Neutral, they wold have no need to form escorted convoys since noone makes war on them, right? So if they do form a convoy, ther are in war? So, Tubes one to five ready!

TarJak · 07-21-09, 10:13 PM

Convoys and Task Forces are defined by the lead element (ship) in the convoy. This is simply the first ship in the convoy list. It does not mean that the rest of the convoy are the same.

Melonfish · 07-22-09, 05:24 AM

well if i ever come accross a convoy, neutral or no i'll investigate, i didn't realise the game did that with the "central ship" thing.
hell that just means they're trying to sneak valuable war materials through our brave ubootsmen!

BulSoldier · 07-22-09, 08:22 AM

It is my general rule that if a ship (netural or otherwise) is escorted by enemy naval units it is treated as hostile ship.It doesnt matter is it in convoy or it is one merch and one escort.

PhantomLord · 07-22-09, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BulSoldier

It is my general rule that if a ship (netural or otherwise) is escorted by enemy naval units it is treated as hostile ship.It doesnt matter is it in convoy or it is one merch and one escort.

That´s exactly the way to go.
BdU says (ingame and in real life): if neutrals are in enemy convoys... sink´em!

ddiplock · 07-22-09, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomLord

That´s exactly the way to go.
BdU says (ingame and in real life): if neutrals are in enemy convoys... sink´em!

Yeah but if you DO sink a neutral in convoy in the game, i'm pretty sure you'll lose renown for it. lol

But I am eager to get playing tonight ,hoping for some Neutral convoy reports. heheh, I always get more Neutral reports than enemy reports and I've always ignored them....no more.

ddiplock · 07-22-09, 01:44 PM

Oh that is just total sods law!!!! i'm ahead of a "Neutral" convoy, and a bloomin large one at that and moving into attack position and what happend???

BLOODY CTD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That the only way the AI can beat my uboat???

PhantomLord · 07-23-09, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ddiplock

Yeah but if you DO sink a neutral in convoy in the game, i'm pretty sure you'll lose renown for it. lol

Yeah right... but the renown for all the other convoy ships will compensate that pretty quick i think

BulSoldier · 07-23-09, 10:35 AM

Neutral sinking penalty isnt that big, but they still add to your tonnage score

Melonfish · 07-23-09, 10:55 AM

thats it, nothings neutral anymore!

Brag · 07-23-09, 02:54 PM

I hate neutral convoys with nothing but neutrals.

07-21-09, 05:05 PM	#1
ddiplock Samurai Navy Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 552 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	No such thing as "Neutral" convoys anymore!! Either someone at BDU has made a glorious cockup, or someone is disseminating false reports out to the uboats. I recieved a report of a large Neutral convoy heading my way, and since they are neutral, I normally ignore such reports. But tonight, for some reason, my interest was piqued and I plotted a rough course. Amid rain and heavy fog I found myself accidently AMONG the convoy and fired upon....neutral "my stern tubes" to borrow I phrase I heard someone use here!! The convoy had one Greek ship in it, the rest from what I could see were a mix of primarily BRITISH and a few AUSTRALIAN ships. This was a "neutral" convoy full of enemy ships!!! After a light depth charging in the shallow waters, of which U100 survived unscathed despite being picked up a couple of times on the ASDIC, all was well and I sailed away. However, from now on, I think in future all so called "Neutral" convoys that are reported in my area will be treated first and foremost as an enemy convoy, until neutrality can be verified. Does anyone else prosecute neutral convoys at all?

07-21-09, 05:32 PM	#2
Ford Prefect Planesman Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire Posts: 184 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	It's caused by how the game builds convoys, there is one central ship around which all others are anchored, if this ship is neutral the convoy counts as neutral even if it's the only neutral ship there. For this reason I always investigate all convoy reports. __________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/halfpenny/sets/ http://www.youtube.com/user/Thunderf00t Home of "why people laugh at creationists" http://www.youtube.com/user/FFreeThinker http://www.youtube.com/user/ExtantDodo

07-22-09, 08:22 AM	#8
BulSoldier Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Burgas/Bulgaria Posts: 550 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	It is my general rule that if a ship (netural or otherwise) is escorted by enemy naval units it is treated as hostile ship.It doesnt matter is it in convoy or it is one merch and one escort. __________________ By the hour !

07-23-09, 10:35 AM	#13
BulSoldier Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Burgas/Bulgaria Posts: 550 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	Neutral sinking penalty isnt that big, but they still add to your tonnage score __________________ By the hour !

07-23-09, 02:54 PM	#15
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I hate neutral convoys with nothing but neutrals. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

07-21-09, 05:39 PM	#3
DaveU186 Torpedoman Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 112 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Personally, if they're being escorted by the enemy, they're going down whatever flag they're flying.

07-21-09, 06:33 PM	#5
Kpt. Weyprecht Gunner Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Paris, France Posts: 97 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	After all, if they really were Neutral, they wold have no need to form escorted convoys since noone makes war on them, right? So if they do form a convoy, ther are in war? So, Tubes one to five ready!

07-21-09, 10:13 PM	#6
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Convoys and Task Forces are defined by the lead element (ship) in the convoy. This is simply the first ship in the convoy list. It does not mean that the rest of the convoy are the same.

07-22-09, 05:24 AM	#7
Melonfish XO Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Warrington, UK Posts: 417 Downloads: 106 Uploads: 0	well if i ever come accross a convoy, neutral or no i'll investigate, i didn't realise the game did that with the "central ship" thing. hell that just means they're trying to sneak valuable war materials through our brave ubootsmen!

07-22-09, 01:44 PM	#11
ddiplock Samurai Navy Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 552 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Oh that is just total sods law!!!! i'm ahead of a "Neutral" convoy, and a bloomin large one at that and moving into attack position and what happend??? BLOODY CTD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That the only way the AI can beat my uboat???

07-23-09, 10:55 AM	#14
Melonfish XO Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Warrington, UK Posts: 417 Downloads: 106 Uploads: 0	thats it, nothings neutral anymore!