Neutral ships should be running with lights.

Platapus · 06-17-09, 01:48 PM

Its 1940 and I have run across four American ships, in three groups, running with no lights at all.

First group had two and I sunk both of them before realizing/remembering that the US was neutral in 1940 (well historically "neutral" can be debated, but in the game they are neutral).

Second group had one American ship which I also sank and only saw the American flag when it was illuminated by the fires (Rocket's red glare).

Third group had one American ship but I was able to see dimly the American flag so I let it go.

All total, I lost almost 350 renown.

I always respect neutrality in the game. But running in a combat zone with no lights is not how a neutral is supposed to act.

It is so hard to see the flags at night.

I tried to convince unkle that these sinkings were caused by a British submarine trying to discredit the Kragsmarine, but I don't think he bought it.

Anyone else run into neutrals traveling dark?

Anyone else sink them like I did?

meduza · 06-17-09, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

It is so hard to see the flags at night.

Try the Flags Enlighten mod. It helps a lot.

FIREWALL · 06-17-09, 02:07 PM

That is why I don't play using renoun.

I don't go out of my way sinking neutral ships but... it happens as in RL.

Fat Juicy neutral Lg Tankers are the worst temptation.

mookiemookie · 06-17-09, 02:22 PM

You are correct. On Sep 4th 1939:

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Maritime Commission (Hydrographic Office Special Warning No. 9) directs that all U.S. merchant ships en route to or from Europe are not to steer a zig zag course, are not to black out at night, and are to paint the U.S. flag on each side of the hull, on hatches fore and aft, and on sun decks of passenger vessels, and to illuminate the colors flying from the flagstaff at night. In Hydrographic Office Special Warning No. 12 (promulgated the same day), U.S. merchant vessels engaged in domestic, "near-by foreign" or transpacific trade are not required to paint the flag on hull, hatches and decks, but otherwise are to follow the other instructions contained in Special Warning No. 9.

Sailor Steve · 06-17-09, 02:25 PM

All neutrals are dark in the stock game. First someone had to figure out how to make the lighted ships. Next someone had to create separate folders for all ships that were to be lit. Then they had to be assigned the correct dates.

GWX does this, but not for all ships. I suppose the thinking is that we can't make it too easy. Other than that I don't know.

andym · 06-17-09, 03:14 PM

I am afraid if they show no lights i need to see what they are and the easiest way is to set them on fire!

Hanomag · 06-17-09, 03:38 PM

Theres always a random chance that the crew forgot to turn them on.

warispeace · 06-17-09, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by andym

I am afraid if they show no lights i need to see what they are and the easiest way is to set them on fire!

Wintahs · 06-17-09, 03:53 PM

This is why I use freecam.

nikbear · 06-17-09, 07:31 PM

If you use SH3Gen,you actually get and order telling you that neutral ships that are not lit are to be assumed as hostile,and are aloud to be sunk

Can't remember the date

,but it is mentioned

Wicked Popsicle · 06-17-09, 07:36 PM

Reguardless no lights they deserve a fish in thier hide

Doolar · 06-17-09, 08:02 PM

nailed 2 myself about 2 weeks ago (my time). No lights + English coast = 1 torpedo

Sailor Steve · 06-18-09, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikbear

If you use SH3Gen,you actually get and order telling you that neutral ships that are not lit are to be assumed as hostile,and are aloud to be sunk

Can't remember the date

,but it is mentioned

But SH3 Gen doesn't change the renown loss, does it? I hate it when BdU lies to me like that.:rotfl:

nikbear · 06-18-09, 12:07 PM

I know it doesn't SS,but I do

If I'm going to obey orders,I'm not taking a renown hit,not even for Donuts himself

:rotfl:

06-17-09, 01:48 PM	#1
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Neutral ships should be running with lights. Its 1940 and I have run across four American ships, in three groups, running with no lights at all. First group had two and I sunk both of them before realizing/remembering that the US was neutral in 1940 (well historically "neutral" can be debated, but in the game they are neutral). Second group had one American ship which I also sank and only saw the American flag when it was illuminated by the fires (Rocket's red glare). Third group had one American ship but I was able to see dimly the American flag so I let it go. All total, I lost almost 350 renown. I always respect neutrality in the game. But running in a combat zone with no lights is not how a neutral is supposed to act. It is so hard to see the flags at night. I tried to convince unkle that these sinkings were caused by a British submarine trying to discredit the Kragsmarine, but I don't think he bought it. Anyone else run into neutrals traveling dark? Anyone else sink them like I did? __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

06-17-09, 02:07 PM	#3
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	That is why I don't play using renoun. I don't go out of my way sinking neutral ships but... it happens as in RL. Fat Juicy neutral Lg Tankers are the worst temptation. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

06-17-09, 02:25 PM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	All neutrals are dark in the stock game. First someone had to figure out how to make the lighted ships. Next someone had to create separate folders for all ships that were to be lit. Then they had to be assigned the correct dates. GWX does this, but not for all ships. I suppose the thinking is that we can't make it too easy. Other than that I don't know. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

06-17-09, 03:14 PM	#6
andym Weps Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 365 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 2	I am afraid if they show no lights i need to see what they are and the easiest way is to set them on fire! __________________ GWX 3.0 GOLD,SH3 Commander.

06-17-09, 03:38 PM	#7
Hanomag Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: LI NY Posts: 964 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Theres always a random chance that the crew forgot to turn them on. __________________ "Only if I can save first..."

06-17-09, 03:53 PM	#9
Wintahs A-ganger Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Belgium Posts: 79 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	This is why I use freecam.

06-17-09, 07:31 PM	#10
nikbear Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northampton,UK Posts: 1,859 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	If you use SH3Gen,you actually get and order telling you that neutral ships that are not lit are to be assumed as hostile,and are aloud to be sunkCan't remember the date,but it is mentioned __________________ 'It is not surely known when the grey wolf shall come upon the seat of the gods' Ericksmal.

06-17-09, 07:36 PM	#11
Wicked Popsicle A-ganger Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 73 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Reguardless no lights they deserve a fish in thier hide __________________

06-17-09, 08:02 PM	#12
Doolar Expert Shipsinker Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Baltimore,Md./ CA45 Posts: 914 Downloads: 360 Uploads: 0	nailed 2 myself about 2 weeks ago (my time). No lights + English coast = 1 torpedo

06-18-09, 12:07 PM	#14
nikbear Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northampton,UK Posts: 1,859 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	I know it doesn't SS,but I doIf I'm going to obey orders,I'm not taking a renown hit,not even for Donuts himself:rotfl: __________________ 'It is not surely known when the grey wolf shall come upon the seat of the gods' Ericksmal.