Stop the Energy Tax Petition

[SUBMAN1]

http://www.americansolutions.com/tak...ion/index3.php

Some neat stuff that this bill will be responsible for:

1. Raise inflation-adjusted gasoline prices by 74 percent
2. Raise electricity rates 90 percent after adjusting for inflation
3. Raise the cost of living of a typical household by $1,600 a year
4. Raise residential natural gas prices by 55 percent
5. Destroy 1-3 million jobs per year, every year until 2035

The middle of an economic recession is not a great place to raise the cost of living. Maybe they are looking for the needle to add to the haystack that will push us all over the edge.

-S

[UnderseaLcpl]

I think you mean the "straw to the camel's back" or something.

[SUBMAN1]

Phrase it anyway you want! Yours is better. Brain is not functioning today (tired, allergies today, etc.), so I am relying on you to correct me! Brain was thinking in the right direction though.

-S

[UnderseaLcpl]

Well, it doesn't matter. I signed the petition. I'm against pretty much all taxes.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

http://www.americansolutions.com/tak...ion/index3.php

Some neat stuff that this bill will be responsible for:

1. Raise inflation-adjusted gasoline prices by 74 percent
2. Raise electricity rates 90 percent after adjusting for inflation
3. Raise the cost of living of a typical household by $1,600 a year
4. Raise residential natural gas prices by 55 percent
5. Destroy 1-3 million jobs per year, every year until 2035

The middle of an economic recession is not a great place to raise the cost of living. Maybe they are looking for the needle to add to the haystack that will push us all over the edge.

-S

I don't disagree that this tax is a bad idea. However, I am curious as to where you got these statistics from, as I highly doubt that this could honestly destroy 75 million jobs over 25 years, as that is just almost HALF of all current jobs.

Anyone proclaiming that is ridiculous, and risks credibility, thusly hurting their own cause.

[Stealth Hunter]

It pays to question his sources, Mike. SUBMAN has a nasty habit of using biased sources and/or misrepresenting the statements of legitimate ones.

[SteamWake]

Job Loss the worst in 34 years

http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/06/news...uary/index.htm

But Im sure this is all Bush's fault somehow.

[AVGWarhawk]

Whatever the case, people like Al Gore stand to make billions with this legislation. Raising any tax with todays economy is not a good thing...raising taxes at all is not a good thing. This cap and trade deal has smelled bad from day one and........watch Al Gore promote it like mad because he, again, stands to make billions.

[Sailor Steve]

I'm in. Taxation should only ever be considered a necessary evil. Using taxation to balance social issues is defeating its very purpose.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

It pays to question his sources, Mike. SUBMAN has a nasty habit of using biased sources and/or misrepresenting the statements of legitimate ones.

Indeed, so I'm learning.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Aramike

Indeed, so I'm learning.

ANd you should learn from your first mistake - not to believe Stealth Hunter. He has some weird agenda.

-S

PS. You are not accounting for population growth, which the US should double by the year 2050.

This sounds like a tax for living. Is that what it is? If so I wish my mother had done the right thing and aborted me.

That way we wouldn't have to worry about any of this non issues.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

ANd you should learn from your first mistake - not to believe Stealth Hunter. He has some weird agenda.

-S

PS. You are not accounting for population growth, which the US should double by the year 2050.

Like I said, I'm wondering where you got the statistic from. Also, this has nothing to do with StealthHunter. You seem to have a tendency to give false statistics to support your claims. Although I don't neccessarily disagree with many of your views, I believe you hurt your causes (some of which are also mine) with distortions.

The bottom line is, if you're actually right, then you don't need to make things up to support your positions.

In any case, population growth doesn't neccessarily equate to job growth. If it did, it'd be impossible to lose 1-3 million jobs/year.

Again, this statistic is flawed. Please show where you got it from, and what it is based upon.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

It pays to question his sources, Mike. SUBMAN has a nasty habit of using biased sources and/or misrepresenting the statements of legitimate ones.

Thats a pretty blanket statement and defamatory.

All my sources are always posted. You can find sources to sources from the link provided above if you bothered to look.

At least I provide links on this board when you never post any! You just give us your opinion which amounts to squat. Your entire posts in that regard are of a biased nature and misrepresenting of the facts.

-S

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Thats a pretty blanket statement and defamatory.

It's true. Remember your thread about NASA and the solar cycle in relation to global warming?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=152450

Mookie pointed out the problem with it not even half way down the page.

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

All my sources are always posted.

I never said they weren't, now did I?

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

You can find sources to sources from the link provided above if you bothered to look.

And so I did. A YouTube video on Obama's tax plan. But where was the part about the 75 million jobs that would be lost over a period of 25 years? It wasn't in there.

These people you're getting your information from did not bother to cite their sources, it's obvious they have some political and scientific bias, and you're asking us (and they are too) to believe their so-called "accurate" statistics without showing their reasoning behind them.

You and "American Solutions" fail at this scientific arguing, epically.

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

At least I provide links on this board when you never post any!

Uh... what? I post links to independent news articles, websites, and YouTube videos that all the time if it's an issue that concerns/interests me.

And you know what else, SUB? I actually bother to check their sources before I do it (not to mention make sure they bother to list them...).

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

You just give us your opinion which amounts to squat.

I give my opinion as well as the facts stated by the source.

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Your entire posts in that regard are of a biased nature and misrepresenting of the facts.

*yawn*

We've covered this claim by you already, and you can investigate my old posts if you want to for proof.

All you do anymore is run around spamming threads about the evil Democrats and Obama, why global warming is a hoax created by the government (do you feel the same way about the moon landings? ), why religion is good and a lack of religion is bad, why America is better than any other country at anything and everything, etc.

At first, it was cute and funny: an angry man running around on Subsim ranting and raving. Now, it's just boring, putting it bluntly.

As Monty Python declared:

"OH- YOU'RE NO FUN ANYMORE!"

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

ANd you should learn from your first mistake - not to believe Stealth Hunter.

"Because I said so!"

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

He has some weird agenda.

Oh really? And what is that?

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Google brings up the following:

http://tonyphyrillas.blogspot.com/20...-petition.html

And Mr. Phyrillas, like your YouTube video, I see did not bother to cite his sources. That's bad journalism, Mr. Phyrillas. Of course, the headline that made me laugh at obvious bias:

COMMON-SENSE VIEWPOINTS OF A CONSERVATIVE JOURNALIST WORKING IN A LIBERAL-DOMINATED MEDIA

Go for independent news sites; avoid blogs and sourceless pages.

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/1154097

Another blog without sources and a link to that same YouTube video... without sources, lol.

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

http://ben932.vox.com/library/post/c...-petition.html

Sourceless blog, same YouTube video. *yawn*

I should get back to bed.

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/...increases.html

No sources, but at least it didn't use the YouTube video for a change.

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Maybe what they are estimating is the number of job losses due to decrease in economic power?

It would be nice if we could have closure as to who this "they" is.

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

ANy energy tax, that is exactly what would be a direct result.

Strange on the "ANY" part, because there have been energy taxes before but decreased economic power has never been one of the effects. Of course, it's been quite a few decades since we faced a situation like we do now.

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I'll dig more if I can find out. The way the statistics are derived may take some time. I'm wondering if it is a decreasing target over time, starting at 3 million and going backwards. I will see if it can be answered.

You do that, SUB; you do that...