Greetings

9emini · 01-11-09, 07:11 AM

Hello friends

Just starting learning SH3 over past few days and am persisting with 'initiation by fire' (i.e. realism = 100%) despite some frustration. Never tried a sim before (unless X-Wing Alliance counts!) but this game is getting its teeth in me. Anyway - my career starts in '39 with the 1st flotilla and my initial sub seems pretty slow. I've managed to 'intercept' two merchant ships but they were travelling at medium pace (~9 knots) which is at times faster than my boat can handle (even on the surface)! So even keeping up with these boats was difficult, and getting in a good position to try an attack was impossible. Perhaps the idea is to complete the first few patrols without engaging even merchant ships, and gathering sufficient renown to purchase a speedier boat(?). Not sure - appreciate any advice re this (and thanks in particular to Wazoo and Dantenoc for their invaluable guides!).

meduza · 01-11-09, 07:24 AM

What boat do you have? Even the slowest Type II can go 12-13 knots in good weather. Maybe you are charging batteries, which slows you down. In that case, order your CE to stop charging.

Welcome aboard!

Brag · 01-11-09, 07:38 AM

Welcome aboard, 9menimi!

The secret of a succesful attack is getting into a favorable position (ahead of your intended victim) without being seen. Take a peek at my kielman webbie for tactics and other articles.

Good hunting!

Jimbuna · 01-11-09, 08:46 AM

Welcome aboard 9emini

I reckon meduza has already informed you of the reason....set your engines for standard propulsion.

You can use the external view (F12) if you have it enabled to check that both propellors are turning.

Lzs von swe · 01-11-09, 08:54 AM

Welcome 9emini

Don´t go chasing after them if they are too fast, planes may find you. And they are faster then you.
Wait for some one to cross your T, then send it to the bottom.

Weiss Pinguin · 01-11-09, 09:00 AM

You can also ask the Chief Engineer if you don't have external cam enabled. (I imagine you don't, since you're playing 100% realism)

A submerged Type II is a slow bugger compared to its stablemates, but on the surface it can move fairly quickly. If possible, I'd try to manuever into position on the surface. If you're moving underwater, you'll definitely be left behind. :p

meduza · 01-11-09, 09:54 AM

@9emini
Besides the external camera, there are three ways to determine if your batteries are charging.

Click on the CE/Propulsion. The current propulsion mode is highlighted.

Look at the RPM gauge. The right engine is used for charging. If it is charging, the RPM is at the maximum. If you're at flank speed you won't see a difference, but if you slow down for a moment, you will.

If the green light above the engine telegraph is on, the engine is turning the propeler, and not charging the batteries. Unfortunately that feature doesn't work for all types. I'm certain that it works with Type VII, and doesn't work with IX.

@everyone
Is there a fix for this issue?

9emini · 01-11-09, 05:47 PM

What a helpful lot you are! Thanks to all who replied - my batt was indeed being charged and I can zip along far more pacily now in standard mode. Woohoo!

Now am I right in thinking that some of you fanatics play this game without time compression / pausing?!?! Even when leaving / approaching base? That's hardcore!

At the risk of exhausting your patience, I'd be grateful to know which one of 'morale', 'endurance', and 'resilience' (more than one perhaps?) contributes to the green bars visible above e.g. the 'bridge' and the 'command room' on the 'crew' screen (F7). Is there any advantage to be gained in filling the bar of (say) the electric engine room beyond the level (about halfway?) required for the engines to actually operate? And relatedly, is there any point in continuing to add crew to that room after its green bar is completely filled? I'm guessing that one advantage is that the time before the crew needs to be rested is lengthened.

I'm also guessing that the red exclamation mark that appears over a crew member denotes that the guy's endurance is <50%. Is the mark just a handy indicator of this fact, or does it denote something more serious?

Regards etc (and fully expecting cries of RTFM!!!

)

meduza · 01-11-09, 08:08 PM

I'm not realy sure which of the characteristics fill the green bar, but I know the fatigue empties it.

And when a crewmember is fatigued, the exclamation mark appears.

There's no need to have engines room green bar completely filed, just be sure it's more than a half full.

It's a different story for torpedo rooms, guns and radio room. The bar affects loading times and sonarman's detection ability.

Weiss Pinguin · 01-11-09, 09:14 PM

If a crewmember loses too much stamina he'll be unable to function, and if he loses anymore, he can die. Always good to check up on your crewmen every so often.

GoldenRivet · 01-11-09, 09:30 PM

Welcome aboard!

A Very Super Market · 01-12-09, 12:45 AM

Wait, what? I never knew your crewmen die from being overworked.

Sounds like I need to rearrange my shifts...

Weiss Pinguin · 01-12-09, 12:49 AM

Yep.

At least I'm pretty sure they do... :hmm: I don't really feel like finding out at the moment.

TarJak · 01-12-09, 12:54 AM

Never seen em die from overwork just keep working but sooooo sloooowwwwly that you end up going nowhere until you get some rested crew into the engine room.

They will die if they get too tired whilst fixing damage and the compartment floods though.

FIREWALL · 01-12-09, 02:31 AM

Just wanna say welcome.

01-11-09, 07:11 AM	#1
9emini Seaman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Aboard the Galaga Posts: 37 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Greetings Hello friends Just starting learning SH3 over past few days and am persisting with 'initiation by fire' (i.e. realism = 100%) despite some frustration. Never tried a sim before (unless X-Wing Alliance counts!) but this game is getting its teeth in me. Anyway - my career starts in '39 with the 1st flotilla and my initial sub seems pretty slow. I've managed to 'intercept' two merchant ships but they were travelling at medium pace (~9 knots) which is at times faster than my boat can handle (even on the surface)! So even keeping up with these boats was difficult, and getting in a good position to try an attack was impossible. Perhaps the idea is to complete the first few patrols without engaging even merchant ships, and gathering sufficient renown to purchase a speedier boat(?). Not sure - appreciate any advice re this (and thanks in particular to Wazoo and Dantenoc for their invaluable guides!).

01-11-09, 07:24 AM	#2
meduza Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: on patrol Posts: 1,035 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	What boat do you have? Even the slowest Type II can go 12-13 knots in good weather. Maybe you are charging batteries, which slows you down. In that case, order your CE to stop charging. Welcome aboard! __________________

01-11-09, 07:38 AM	#3
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Welcome aboard, 9menimi! The secret of a succesful attack is getting into a favorable position (ahead of your intended victim) without being seen. Take a peek at my kielman webbie for tactics and other articles. Good hunting! __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

01-11-09, 08:46 AM	#4
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,481 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Welcome aboard 9emini I reckon meduza has already informed you of the reason....set your engines for standard propulsion. You can use the external view (F12) if you have it enabled to check that both propellors are turning. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-11-09, 08:54 AM	#5
Lzs von swe Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Norrkoping, Sweden Posts: 1,074 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Welcome 9emini Don´t go chasing after them if they are too fast, planes may find you. And they are faster then you. Wait for some one to cross your T, then send it to the bottom. __________________

01-11-09, 09:00 AM	#6
Weiss Pinguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Auburn, Alabama Posts: 3,333 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 0	You can also ask the Chief Engineer if you don't have external cam enabled. (I imagine you don't, since you're playing 100% realism) A submerged Type II is a slow bugger compared to its stablemates, but on the surface it can move fairly quickly. If possible, I'd try to manuever into position on the surface. If you're moving underwater, you'll definitely be left behind. :p __________________

01-11-09, 09:54 AM	#7
meduza Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: on patrol Posts: 1,035 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	@9emini Besides the external camera, there are three ways to determine if your batteries are charging. Click on the CE/Propulsion. The current propulsion mode is highlighted. Look at the RPM gauge. The right engine is used for charging. If it is charging, the RPM is at the maximum. If you're at flank speed you won't see a difference, but if you slow down for a moment, you will. If the green light above the engine telegraph is on, the engine is turning the propeler, and not charging the batteries. Unfortunately that feature doesn't work for all types. I'm certain that it works with Type VII, and doesn't work with IX. @everyone Is there a fix for this issue? __________________

01-11-09, 05:47 PM	#8
9emini Seaman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Aboard the Galaga Posts: 37 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	What a helpful lot you are! Thanks to all who replied - my batt was indeed being charged and I can zip along far more pacily now in standard mode. Woohoo! Now am I right in thinking that some of you fanatics play this game without time compression / pausing?!?! Even when leaving / approaching base? That's hardcore! At the risk of exhausting your patience, I'd be grateful to know which one of 'morale', 'endurance', and 'resilience' (more than one perhaps?) contributes to the green bars visible above e.g. the 'bridge' and the 'command room' on the 'crew' screen (F7). Is there any advantage to be gained in filling the bar of (say) the electric engine room beyond the level (about halfway?) required for the engines to actually operate? And relatedly, is there any point in continuing to add crew to that room after its green bar is completely filled? I'm guessing that one advantage is that the time before the crew needs to be rested is lengthened. I'm also guessing that the red exclamation mark that appears over a crew member denotes that the guy's endurance is <50%. Is the mark just a handy indicator of this fact, or does it denote something more serious? Regards etc (and fully expecting cries of RTFM!!! )

01-11-09, 08:08 PM	#9
meduza Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: on patrol Posts: 1,035 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	I'm not realy sure which of the characteristics fill the green bar, but I know the fatigue empties it. And when a crewmember is fatigued, the exclamation mark appears. There's no need to have engines room green bar completely filed, just be sure it's more than a half full. It's a different story for torpedo rooms, guns and radio room. The bar affects loading times and sonarman's detection ability. __________________

01-11-09, 09:14 PM	#10
Weiss Pinguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Auburn, Alabama Posts: 3,333 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 0	If a crewmember loses too much stamina he'll be unable to function, and if he loses anymore, he can die. Always good to check up on your crewmen every so often. __________________

01-11-09, 09:30 PM	#11
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Welcome aboard! __________________

01-12-09, 12:45 AM	#12
A Very Super Market The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Deep in the Wild Canadian suburbs. Posts: 1,468 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Wait, what? I never knew your crewmen die from being overworked. Sounds like I need to rearrange my shifts... __________________ The entire German garrison of Vanviken, right here in your thread!

01-12-09, 12:49 AM	#13
Weiss Pinguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Auburn, Alabama Posts: 3,333 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 0	Yep. At least I'm pretty sure they do... :hmm: I don't really feel like finding out at the moment. __________________

01-12-09, 12:54 AM	#14
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Never seen em die from overwork just keep working but sooooo sloooowwwwly that you end up going nowhere until you get some rested crew into the engine room. They will die if they get too tired whilst fixing damage and the compartment floods though.

01-12-09, 02:31 AM	#15
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Just wanna say welcome. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???