Obama chooses "Energy Czar"

[SteamWake]

More Clintonistas in the cabinet.

Former Clinton EPA cabinet minister Carol Browner has been chosen as Obama's Energy Czar.

meaning that the subsidies required to put renewables within the reach of consumers will have to be larger

To translate for you 'higher taxes on your fuel costs'. In fact it has been discussed to raise taxes on US fuel costs to the point they rival that in the Eu.

Yea that will stimulate the economy?!

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/s...5/daily19.html

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Yea that will stimulate the economy?!

Yep, stimulate it even further into the toilet than it is already.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

To translate for you 'higher taxes on your fuel costs'. In fact it has been discussed to raise taxes on US fuel costs to the point they rival that in the Eu.

Yea that will stimulate the economy?!

Possible.

Tax rises on gasoline, combined with tax breaks for alternative fuels, could move many consumers away from using gasoline.
This would make the US economy less sensitive to changes in gasoline price, delinking economic growth from the upward trend in oil prices. You wouldn't have as many people bringing SUV's into church to pray for oil prices to go down.

Doesn't matter, oil grows on trees anyway.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Possible.

Tax rises on gasoline, combined with tax breaks for alternative fuels, could move many consumers away from using gasoline.
This would make the US economy less sensitive to changes in gasoline price, delinking economic growth from the upward trend in oil prices. You wouldn't have as many people bringing SUV's into church to pray for oil prices to go down.

Doesn't matter, oil grows on trees anyway.

Raising taxes has never stimulated anything other than anger. As per status quo, raise taxes on all the vices of America...gas, tobacco, alcohol. It is the typical course of action and the coming years will be no different. OPEC is already prepared to create a fair market value for oil at $80.00/barrel. That translates to about $3.00/gallon here in the US. Tax breaks on alternative fuels? Realistically, the hybrid vehicle sister to the standard vehicle does not do much better in mileage yet the consumer is paying close to $10,000.00 more for the hybrid. They can keep the hybrid at the dealer. The automakers need to stop the hysteria of global warming and saving gas thus providing an out to charge $10000.00 more than the standard gas engine sister vehicle. Sell the frigging things at a price that is reasonable and affordable. The automakers could give two craps about the environment as evident with Ford, GM, Chrysler line up of GREEN CARS. They all suck.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Raising taxes has never stimulated anything other than anger.

Of course, the natural path towards stimulaing an economy is to lower taxes.
But, if lowering taxes on a commodity only increases your economy's vulnerability to certain price rises in that commodity, then it is not a wise choice.
I'm talking about a reorientation of the economic model so that oil price rises do not affect it in such a severe way.
Taxes are instruments of incentivising behaviour as well as revenue collection. It's why I pay a lower rate of tax on waste, because I recycle. Same goes for cars.
I never said that tax rises on gasoline alone would stimulate the economy.

OPEC is already prepared to create a fair market value for oil at $80.00/barrel.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7786456.stm
OPEC will alter output to suit themselves, the same way any cartel does.

Tax breaks on alternative fuels? Realistically, the hybrid vehicle sister to the standard vehicle does not do much better in mileage yet the consumer is paying close to $10,000.00 more for the hybrid. They can keep the hybrid at the dealer.

Hybrid ain't the only alternative to petrol. Obviously, manufacturers will have to be convinced to produce these cars, the prospect of them being more financially attractive to the consumer may well do this.

The automakers need to stop the hysteria of global warming and saving gas

Global warming is indeed pure rubbish. Saving gas? pfft. go back to college, hippies.
I mean, we can burn anything we want, right?
And it will never stop coming out of the ground, right?
The arctic will freeze up again,
right?

Sell the frigging things at a price that is reasonable and affordable.

So you'd be against tax breaks on these vehicles...why?

[AVGWarhawk]

1. hysteria is being created with global warming. I never said it was not happening. Your sarcastic response affirms that you believe I do not think global warming is real. I only stated hysteria is being created and people are profiting from the hysteria, ie Al Gore, automakers selling hybrids at a higher price than the sister vehicle with a gas burner. Look, my friend looked at a hybrid and the sister vehicle. The hybrid is $10000.00 more. It really does not do any better than the gas burner. So why pay the additional monies? There is no incentive. If the automakers gave a crap, the two vehicles would be priced the same. So, SAVE THE PLANET! IT IS UP TO YOU...and this vehicle will help you do it for only $10000.00 more. Again, no incentive to buy it and the tax breaks are nice but do not offset the out of pocket costs.

2. I never said I was against tax breaks for these vehicles. Hell, I get tax breaks for installing efficient appliances and heating systems. However, I do not pay additional monies because the appliances will be GREENER. The appliances are efficient from the word go and price in the same ball park as other appliance makers. The tax breaks are not that great anyway and are about last on the list of incentives to make the purchase.

3. Hybrid are one part of alternative fuel saving. Electric....suck. The GM Volt coming out...looser from the word go. Natural gas...might have something here. Using corn...not quite as clean as we are led to believe. Let's face it, better fuel efficient vehicles such as the Prius are the way to go. Unfortunate, the world of the large SUV/van are not going away. People need the larger vehicles for large familes. I had to laugh when Congress went after Ford over their F150 pick up truck. What, Joe the construction guy is to carry his tools and materials on his back?


Also, look for arguments against the global warming theory:

http://www.aproundtable.org/tps30info/globalwarmup.html

[Digital_Trucker]

Besides that, in order to make any kind of difference, you've got to kill all the cows and pigs.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Besides that, in order to make any kind of difference, you've got to kill all the cows and pigs.

Yeah, and have clean coal technology which basically means there are scubbers in the stacks.

[August]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Besides that, in order to make any kind of difference, you've got to kill all the cows and pigs.

And get rid about about half the worlds human population...

[SteamWake]

On a related note...

N.Y. Govenor readies to tax... well... everything...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,468305,00.html

[AVGWarhawk]

IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Looooooooooooovvvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeee Neeeew Yooorrrkkk! All I can say is welcome to the club NY! Here in MD we had our taxes raised across the board and then the tax was taxed. We are still 2 billion in the hole. Great work Martin O' Malley

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

On a related note...

N.Y. Govenor readies to tax... well... everything...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,468305,00.html

Really guys, for once you should copy the european tax model, VAT on goods and services and do away with the sales taxes.
One tax rate at lets say 12% (or 10%, etc...), the same across all the usa and applicable to all goods and services (even internet services and downloadable goods such as software, music etc...).
Pretty simple no ? You buy a good,you know the price has already the VAT.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by goldorak

Really guys, for once you should copy the european tax model, VAT on goods and services and do away with the sales taxes.
One tax rate at lets say 12% (or 10%, etc...), the same across all the usa and applicable to all goods and services (even internet services and downloadable goods such as software, music etc...).
Pretty simple no ? You buy a good,you know the price has already the VAT.

The state of Delaware here in America kind of runs it that way. They are not in debt either.

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The state of Delaware here in America kind of runs it that way. They are not in debt either.

Why isn't this model exported to the other states ?
Can the federal government impose a nationwide VAT (value added tax) and at the same time do away with the sales tax.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by goldorak

Why isn't this model exported to the other states ?
Can the federal government impose a nationwide VAT (value added tax) and at the same time do away with the sales tax.

Taxes never get repealed they just get moved around and re-named.