RN Phantom and Bucaneer CARQUALS

XabbaRus · 12-09-08, 12:58 PM

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#199354

Really interesting. Also note how patient they are with these guys. This is from 76 or thereabouts....Got to love those accents.

Enigma · 12-09-08, 01:50 PM

Awesome video, thanks for posting....

Big difference between that and what I'm used to seeing when American pilots qualify on deck!

XabbaRus · 12-09-08, 02:02 PM

What are the Americans like when a guy bolts several times in a row?

Enigma · 12-09-08, 02:48 PM

Well, let me start by saying I've never stood on the bridge of a carrier while all that's going on! However, the mood seems a lot more relaxed on the British ship, compared to what I've seen in various documentaries and such.....
Like you said, very patient with their pilots....

XabbaRus · 12-09-08, 03:45 PM

I love the bit.

"Talk to him like an old bat and talk him onto the carrier"..Brilliant.....

Oberon · 12-09-08, 05:38 PM

Marvellous stuff, good to see footage of the old Phantoms in the RN. Not often you see Royal Navy trapping footage, not a lot of need for it now I guess

Thanks for the link

RickC Sniper · 12-09-08, 09:50 PM

That last pilot that took 7 or so passes tried to land the way I land with flight sims....too fast and too shallow an angle. I suck!.

But when he finally did touch down, it was the most gentle touch down on a carrier I've ever seen footage of.

Those guys sure handle their stress well.

Awesome video.

RickC Sniper · 12-09-08, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by XabbaRus

What are the Americans like when a guy bolts several times in a row?

That's a great question. I also wonder how long it takes before his fellow pilots give him some sort of "nickname" that isn't too flattering.

AntEater · 12-10-08, 06:55 AM

Wow, footage of a bygone era!
First, RN carrier ops. We will maybe see that in future again, if the brits scrap the JSF.
Second, a glimpse back in times when Britain had less tabloids, less CCTV and public surveilance and more classic british understatement instead of tabloid hysteria.

Jimbuna · 12-10-08, 07:24 AM

Great video Xab

.....great memories of a sadly bygone era

Skybird · 12-10-08, 07:46 AM

Impressive to see not only the pilots handling their machines in some of the most difficult excercise possible in aviation, but the suprisingly relaxed attitude and general mood in the tower, different to what I have seen in carrier videos and TV footage so far. I think that says something about the experience and level of competence there. You just can't order people to behave relaxed - they either are (and then necessarily for good reason), or they are not.

Enigma · 12-10-08, 09:23 AM

Judging by the comments and opinions of the officers on camera, it appears the pilot with the bolter problem is "spotting the deck." This happens when you don't follow the "meatball". Basically a circle of light on the HUD that displays the correct glide path to the carrier deck. The pilot is supposed to keep his eyes on the ball at all time for a perfect approach, however, as one may imagine, taking your eyes off of the ball and looking at the pitching deck that lies just off the nose of you aircraft is easily done. American carrier aviators call this "spotting the deck". Almost always results in a go-around...

kurtz · 12-10-08, 10:09 AM

Fabulous video, I wanted to reply to,"where's the buccaneers?", with the classic Eric Morecambe,"Either side of my Buccan Head!".

Agreed classic accents.

clive bradbury · 12-10-08, 11:21 AM

Yes, fantastic. Nice to see all the old kit - those bucaneers were tough, reliable aircraft - makes me feel nostalgic - how about the Westland Wessex rescue helicopter, too?

12-09-08, 01:50 PM	#2
Enigma The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: At comms depth, obviously. Posts: 1,476 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Awesome video, thanks for posting.... Big difference between that and what I'm used to seeing when American pilots qualify on deck! __________________ "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." -Mark Twain

12-09-08, 02:02 PM	#3
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	What are the Americans like when a guy bolts several times in a row? __________________

12-09-08, 02:48 PM	#4
Enigma The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: At comms depth, obviously. Posts: 1,476 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Well, let me start by saying I've never stood on the bridge of a carrier while all that's going on! However, the mood seems a lot more relaxed on the British ship, compared to what I've seen in various documentaries and such..... Like you said, very patient with their pilots.... __________________ "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." -Mark Twain Last edited by Enigma; 12-09-08 at 02:49 PM.

12-09-08, 03:45 PM	#5
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I love the bit. "Talk to him like an old bat and talk him onto the carrier"..Brilliant..... __________________

12-09-08, 09:50 PM	#7
RickC Sniper Undetectable Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,221 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	That last pilot that took 7 or so passes tried to land the way I land with flight sims....too fast and too shallow an angle. I suck!. But when he finally did touch down, it was the most gentle touch down on a carrier I've ever seen footage of. Those guys sure handle their stress well. Awesome video. __________________ Support Subsim http://www.subsim.com/store.html

12-09-08, 12:58 PM	#1
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	RN Phantom and Bucaneer CARQUALS http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#199354 Really interesting. Also note how patient they are with these guys. This is from 76 or thereabouts....Got to love those accents. __________________

12-09-08, 05:38 PM	#6
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Marvellous stuff, good to see footage of the old Phantoms in the RN. Not often you see Royal Navy trapping footage, not a lot of need for it now I guess Thanks for the link

12-10-08, 06:55 AM	#9
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Wow, footage of a bygone era! First, RN carrier ops. We will maybe see that in future again, if the brits scrap the JSF. Second, a glimpse back in times when Britain had less tabloids, less CCTV and public surveilance and more classic british understatement instead of tabloid hysteria. __________________

12-10-08, 07:24 AM	#10
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Great video Xab .....great memories of a sadly bygone era __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-10-08, 07:46 AM	#11
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,603 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Impressive to see not only the pilots handling their machines in some of the most difficult excercise possible in aviation, but the suprisingly relaxed attitude and general mood in the tower, different to what I have seen in carrier videos and TV footage so far. I think that says something about the experience and level of competence there. You just can't order people to behave relaxed - they either are (and then necessarily for good reason), or they are not. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-10-08, 09:23 AM	#12
Enigma The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: At comms depth, obviously. Posts: 1,476 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Judging by the comments and opinions of the officers on camera, it appears the pilot with the bolter problem is "spotting the deck." This happens when you don't follow the "meatball". Basically a circle of light on the HUD that displays the correct glide path to the carrier deck. The pilot is supposed to keep his eyes on the ball at all time for a perfect approach, however, as one may imagine, taking your eyes off of the ball and looking at the pitching deck that lies just off the nose of you aircraft is easily done. American carrier aviators call this "spotting the deck". Almost always results in a go-around... __________________ "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." -Mark Twain

12-10-08, 10:09 AM	#13
kurtz Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Leighton Buzzard,England Posts: 660 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Fabulous video, I wanted to reply to,"where's the buccaneers?", with the classic Eric Morecambe,"Either side of my Buccan Head!". Agreed classic accents. __________________ War without Fire is like sausages without mustard-Henry V. http://www.myvintagelife.co.uk/

12-10-08, 11:21 AM	#14
clive bradbury Captain Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: stoke-on-trent, UK Posts: 492 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 0	Yes, fantastic. Nice to see all the old kit - those bucaneers were tough, reliable aircraft - makes me feel nostalgic - how about the Westland Wessex rescue helicopter, too? Last edited by clive bradbury; 12-10-08 at 11:22 AM.