So it begins....for Obama

[Sea Demon]

And the Russians begin their probing:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,447204,00.html

Sorry Poland. But these guys are going to eat Obama like a snack. You Europeans may not be so happy about Obama in a couple of years down the road. Best of luck to you all.

[Digital_Trucker]

Let me be preemptive here and hypothesize that this is all George Bushes fault for putting the missile defense system in Poland to begin with

Maybe this is the test Biden warned about:hmm:

[GlobalExplorer]

I don't get it - makes no sense. The Russians were creating the impression they were only po'd by Bush's one sided action, remember how different they were in 2001 (actually stepped back and let the coalition start the afghan war). So at least I would expect they should try a new start, but maybe they are already too firmly set on that fateful crash course with NATO.

Hopefully it's just a maneuvre, to get Obama to the negotiation table quickly, but I must say I don't like Russian politics atm.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

And the Russians begin their probing:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,447204,00.html

Sorry Poland. But these guys are going to eat Obama like a snack. You Europeans may not be so happy about Obama in a couple of years down the road. Best of luck to you all.

Sure, just like the GOP did! Sorry, that was too good of an opening to resist.

Buddahaid

[Konovalov]

Not really sure that this is such a big deal. Seems more like the same old limp posturing from Russia.

What is President Bush going to do about it?

It's pretty obvious Sea Demon that you are one of those who are not even going to give your own President a chance to prove himself. How sad that you wish to see President Elect Obama fail and along with him your own nation.

[AVGWarhawk]

This is much more interesting:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Konovalov

Not really sure that this is such a big deal. Seems more like the same old limp posturing from Russia.

What is President Bush going to do about it?

It's pretty obvious Sea Demon that you are one of those who are not even going to give your own President a chance to prove himself. How sad that you wish to see President Elect Obama fail and along with him your own nation.

You got it wrong. This is not good at all. This is obviously aimed at Obama. The Russians simply were not going to maneuver this far while Bush was a viable President. Bush is now on the way out, and is politically chained at this point. And the Russians know it. My hope would be that Obama would stand up to these cretins. Will he? I have serious doubts he could. He has shown nothing in him as being able to posture affirmatively against this type of hard power play. The Russians are moving missiles closer to Europe........anybody think an Obama administration can or will confront it? He will after all go to the negotiations table without any pre-conditions? Remember? Smells like an appeaser to me. Medvedev and Putin know exactly what they're up against. Obama will leave the Europeans to fend for themsleves if Russia decides to "exert their influence" over European interests. And I take no comfort in any of it from an American perspective looking in geostrategically. If it comes down to that, the Europeans may come to regret our choice this year.

[SteamWake]

Dont overlook the timing of this as well

"Massive rocket attack"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,447144,00.html

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

You got it wrong. This is not good at all. This is obviously aimed at Obama. The Russians simply were not going to maneuver this far while Bush was a viable President. Bush is now on the way out, and is politically chained at this point. And the Russians know it. My hope would be that Obama would stand up to these cretins. Will he? I have serious doubts he could. He has shown nothing in him as being able to posture affirmatively against this type of hard power play. The Russians are moving missiles closer to Europe........anybody think an Obama administration can or will confront it? He will after all go to the negotiations table without any pre-conditions? Remember? Smells like an appeaser to me. Medvedev and Putin know exactly what they're up against. Obama will leave the Europeans to fend for themsleves if Russia decides to "exert their influence" over European interests. And I take no comfort in any of it from an American perspective looking in geostrategically. If it comes down to that, the Europeans may come to regret our choice this year.

Yeah, and perhaps you have it wrong. How about you just wait and see how this plays out after Obama becomes President? Then judge him based on his record and actions as President. I see nothing different from your train of thought to those on the far left who slammed President Bush before he even took office. Give the guy a darn chance.

[AVGWarhawk]

Let just see if Obama has a spine of steel that Biden said he has. As I watched Obama over the past 18 months, I noticed a grit to him in some instances. I do not think he will back down or in short, be a wuss. Althought there is talk of reducing military spending by the idiot Barney Frank, now is not the time or the place. Obama will learn very quickly how to use the military. Hopefully, Joe the Gaffer Biden will stay out of his way.

[GlobalExplorer]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

The Russians are moving missiles closer to Europe........anybody think an Obama administration can or will confront it?

Why not?

And what do you think these missiles are meant for, to start WWIII? They are meant as demonstration of a superpower, not really as a threat. It's just a bet for the political bargain, the Russians are in the game again, and they want more respect. Who gives a **** about the missile shield in Poland anyway? The real problem is Georgia + Ukraine in the NATO, and Russias future access to the Black Sea. Think Mexico and Panama and Venezuela joining the Warsaw pact, or what actually happened in Cuba, and you should understand much better why the Russians do what they do.

I think if USA and NATO act with more care, not as much in the cold war, but a little bit like that, everything will be in balance again.

[Skybird]

They said already months ago, after Poland's hostile hysteria over the Georgian launch of war, which made them to hush under the american umbrella, that Russia sees the American plans as a provocation and a threat to it's own security, and thus that they would not let this one go by without reacting to it, and that they would react to the missiles in Poland by targetting Poland again with their own missiles - and that's what they do now.

What a great surprise that now they do what they have announced in advance months ago!

I'm sure they also take measures to take out the sensor station in the Czech Republic. Which just follows military logic.

And Obama - I'm sure he has far more urgent and important issues on his list when he has taken over the office than just some Russian missiles on Kaliningrad. Russia is full of missiles, so to speak.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

You gotta love FauxNews. Israel broke the cease fire and killed 6 Hamas militants in the Gaza strip, Hamas replied with rocket launches. These are the facts, and that's FauxNews headline :
'Massive' Cross-Border Rocket Barrage Fired From Gaza Strip by Palestinian Militants


no word about the ceasefire and who broke it in the first place. Then of course the Israelis broke the cease fire for very good reasons, no doubt about it.

Mhm...

Originally Posted by Fox News

... hours after Israeli forces killed six gunmen in a fresh bout of violence that threatened to unravel a five-month-old truce that has brought relief to both Gaza and southern Israel.

Practicing selective reading?

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Konovalov

Yeah, and perhaps you have it wrong. How about you just wait and see how this plays out after Obama becomes President? Then judge him based on his record and actions as President. I see nothing different from your train of thought to those on the far left who slammed President Bush before he even took office. Give the guy a darn chance.

Like I said, I hope for the best, but expect the worst. I will be very happy if he stands his ground, and things work out, but chances are Obama will be played by both Putin and Medvedev. And a couple of others as well. Obama's own outlook prior to this has been appeasement on a very fundamental level. Also, his own view and words regarding military resources will assure we will not be able to maintain the deterrent force necessary to ward off or deter movements like this as well. I say this honestly as I care for my nation. I fear for what's in store for it regarding national security issues. And I think you Europeans may be in store for some interesting times regarding hard power in the near future.

[August]

Originally Posted by Thomen

Practicing selective reading?

That's our Mik...