Political thread discussion

GoldenRivet · 10-13-08, 07:46 PM

As a member of several forums i have seen a large number of forum groups which allow political discussions.

I have also seen a large number of forums which have a "zero tolerance policy" on political threads.

For example: any thread which is deemed by a moderator to be political in its nature is quickly closed - regardless of the poster's intentions (be them good or bad) and regardless of the politics being discussed.

Such a policy as i have seen it on other forums is purely preemptive - and is meant to prevent arguments, fights and wasted moderator time rather than simply censor opinions.

Just out of curiosity - without talking ANY POLITICS HERE - what is your opinion?

Should subsim allow political discussions?

OR

Should subsim adobt a "zero tolerance policy" on political discussions?

(please note... this thread has no bearing on whether or not subsim will or will not change policy... i just want your opinions WE ARE ALL FRIENDS HERE * * * THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE)

SUBMAN1 · 10-13-08, 08:13 PM

No need to talk about it. It has already been decided for you.

-S

Digital_Trucker · 10-13-08, 08:16 PM

This is going to sound really strange coming from a person that participates in political threads a lot, but it would probably be easiest on the site owner and moderators if they weren't allowed.

Having said that, I also believe that there is some value to having them allowed. I know that there are some things that I've learned that I wouldn't have otherwise (some things that coincided with my previous political views and some that didn't).

So, I guess if there was a poll, I'd have to vote a definite maybe:hmm:

10-13-08, 08:32 PM

Political debates are the very basis of democracies. Heated or not, they form a major contribution to the open discurse and opinion building. Though the latest trend of more and more disinformation and propaganda both on international and domestic levels are becoming bothersome to the degree of physical pain it is a nessecity to encourage further talk. For some people a forum is their only possibility to get a broader picture of not only homegrown issues and attitudes, but a more global one as well.

SimNut · 10-13-08, 08:33 PM

Just merge them all into one thread until the election is over. If you want to talk politics then visit that one thread.

It would be nice to consolidate all of the "Pimp my Candidate" and "Slam the Opposition" threads into one location.

Maybe even make a temporary subforum until the election. Then we could all ignore it together.

Stealth Hunter · 10-13-08, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Political debates are the very basis of democracies. Heated or not, they form a major contribution to the open discurse and opinion building. Though the latest trend of more and more disinformation and propaganda both on international and domestic levels are becoming bothersome to the degree of physical pain it is a nessecity to encourage further talk. For some people a forum is their only possibility to get a broader picture of not only homegrown issues and attitudes, but a more global one as well.

It unfortunately gets out of hand when mods start to take sides and attack users with their powers...

*cough*flamingboat*cough*

GoldenRivet · 10-13-08, 08:41 PM

now now... did you read the first post?

I suppose if a person wanted to have heated political debates they could go to a politics forum.

i think in a multi-national forum such as subsim (and others of which i am a member) the typical result of political threads ends up being hurt feelings, bruised egos, and flared tempers.

it just doesnt seem worth all the heat to me.

Stealth Hunter · 10-13-08, 08:47 PM

To solve this whole thing, why doesn't Neal create a "Politics" section? I mean, it wouldn't be difficult. The GT section would be pretty boring after that, although it would solve this problem of "this is the general topics form and it is not meant for political discussion and blah blah blah".

bookworm_020 · 10-13-08, 08:59 PM

Having political threads shouldn't be a problem, it's only when people start to lose their heads and get nasty toward others in the forum is when it goes to far. Most threads are stoped by moderators only when people reach these limits and exceed them.

The Moderators here do a good job at keeping everyone playing nicely!

GoldenRivet · 10-13-08, 09:01 PM

Thats one thing to consider... but it would have to be strictly governed somehow or another... otherwise it turns into a 24/7 scream fest.

to have a moderated honorable debate is one thing... but to have the sort of "debate" we have been encountering with greater and greater frequency here at subsim is another thing entirely!

you must remember that some people here at subsim are not old enough/ mature enough - or well traveled/ versed enough to formulate a constructive debate without screaming and flinging insults.

Perhaps i have grown soft with age when it comes to politics... i have adopted the saying "East is East, and West is West and never the twain shall meet"

which means basically you will see it your way and i will see it my way and there is no way we will ever agree so discussing it pointless.

I have also adopted the saying "It is better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

as you will notice... this is my first really "political" type thread - i dont typically start them - nor do i typically contribute to them either.

just to keep things on track, more opinions please

with a new option

Political only section of subsim added?

Zero tolerance policy on political posts?

or leave it like it is?

Thomen · 10-13-08, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bookworm_020

Having political threads shouldn't be a problem, it's only when people start to lose their heads and get nasty toward others in the forum is when it goes to far. Most threads are stoped by moderators only when people reach these limits and exceed them.

The Moderators here do a good job at keeping everyone playing nicely!

I agree.

baggygreen · 10-13-08, 09:15 PM

Im of the opinion they should stay.

It is, whether we like it or not, such an integral part of our lives! Tax breaks, tax hikes, defence spending, so on so on, we couldn't discuss them because they can be deemed political.

I was half tempted to have a whinge about the idiot local candidates in the ACT election standing by the side of the highways waving at traffic and causing chaos, and point out they were predominantly from 1 particular party, but I couldnt.

We just need to keep it civil, and failing that, we need Tak's squirrel!

Onkel Neal · 10-13-08, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Political debates are the very basis of democracies. Heated or not, they form a major contribution to the open discurse and opinion building. Though the latest trend of more and more disinformation and propaganda both on international and domestic levels are becoming bothersome to the degree of physical pain it is a nessecity to encourage further talk. For some people a forum is their only possibility to get a broader picture of not only homegrown issues and attitudes, but a more global one as well.

It unfortunately gets out of hand when mods start to take sides and attack users with their powers...

*cough*flamingboat*cough*

The mods in that thread were not mods of the GT forum, and did not attack with their powers.

Anyway, we all need to gear down on the political threads.

thanks
Neal

Onkel Neal · 10-13-08, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimNut

It would be nice to consolidate all of the "Pimp my Candidate" and "Slam the Opposition" threads into one location.

Man, ain't that the truth.

We're going to start merging these threads. After all, they are all started by the same 5~7 people.

PeriscopeDepth · 10-13-08, 09:27 PM

Political threads on this forum are more often than not the Subsim.com equivalent of the Jerry Springer show and we'd be better off without. IMO.

PD

10-13-08, 07:46 PM	#1
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Political thread discussion As a member of several forums i have seen a large number of forum groups which allow political discussions. I have also seen a large number of forums which have a "zero tolerance policy" on political threads. For example: any thread which is deemed by a moderator to be political in its nature is quickly closed - regardless of the poster's intentions (be them good or bad) and regardless of the politics being discussed. Such a policy as i have seen it on other forums is purely preemptive - and is meant to prevent arguments, fights and wasted moderator time rather than simply censor opinions. Just out of curiosity - without talking ANY POLITICS HERE - what is your opinion? Should subsim allow political discussions? OR Should subsim adobt a "zero tolerance policy" on political discussions? (please note... this thread has no bearing on whether or not subsim will or will not change policy... i just want your opinions WE ARE ALL FRIENDS HERE * * * THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE) __________________

10-13-08, 08:13 PM	#2
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	No need to talk about it. It has already been decided for you. -S __________________

10-13-08, 08:16 PM	#3
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	This is going to sound really strange coming from a person that participates in political threads a lot, but it would probably be easiest on the site owner and moderators if they weren't allowed. Having said that, I also believe that there is some value to having them allowed. I know that there are some things that I've learned that I wouldn't have otherwise (some things that coincided with my previous political views and some that didn't). So, I guess if there was a poll, I'd have to vote a definite maybe:hmm: __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

10-13-08, 08:41 PM	#7
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	now now... did you read the first post? I suppose if a person wanted to have heated political debates they could go to a politics forum. i think in a multi-national forum such as subsim (and others of which i am a member) the typical result of political threads ends up being hurt feelings, bruised egos, and flared tempers. it just doesnt seem worth all the heat to me. __________________

10-13-08, 08:59 PM	#9
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Having political threads shouldn't be a problem, it's only when people start to lose their heads and get nasty toward others in the forum is when it goes to far. Most threads are stoped by moderators only when people reach these limits and exceed them. The Moderators here do a good job at keeping everyone playing nicely! __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

10-13-08, 08:32 PM	#4
Bewolf Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Political debates are the very basis of democracies. Heated or not, they form a major contribution to the open discurse and opinion building. Though the latest trend of more and more disinformation and propaganda both on international and domestic levels are becoming bothersome to the degree of physical pain it is a nessecity to encourage further talk. For some people a forum is their only possibility to get a broader picture of not only homegrown issues and attitudes, but a more global one as well.

10-13-08, 08:33 PM	#5
SimNut A-ganger Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 75 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Just merge them all into one thread until the election is over. If you want to talk politics then visit that one thread. It would be nice to consolidate all of the "Pimp my Candidate" and "Slam the Opposition" threads into one location. Maybe even make a temporary subforum until the election. Then we could all ignore it together.

10-13-08, 08:47 PM	#8
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	To solve this whole thing, why doesn't Neal create a "Politics" section? I mean, it wouldn't be difficult. The GT section would be pretty boring after that, although it would solve this problem of "this is the general topics form and it is not meant for political discussion and blah blah blah".

10-13-08, 09:01 PM	#10
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Thats one thing to consider... but it would have to be strictly governed somehow or another... otherwise it turns into a 24/7 scream fest. to have a moderated honorable debate is one thing... but to have the sort of "debate" we have been encountering with greater and greater frequency here at subsim is another thing entirely! you must remember that some people here at subsim are not old enough/ mature enough - or well traveled/ versed enough to formulate a constructive debate without screaming and flinging insults. Perhaps i have grown soft with age when it comes to politics... i have adopted the saying "East is East, and West is West and never the twain shall meet" which means basically you will see it your way and i will see it my way and there is no way we will ever agree so discussing it pointless. I have also adopted the saying "It is better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" as you will notice... this is my first really "political" type thread - i dont typically start them - nor do i typically contribute to them either. just to keep things on track, more opinions please with a new option Political only section of subsim added? Zero tolerance policy on political posts? or leave it like it is? __________________

10-13-08, 09:15 PM	#12
baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Im of the opinion they should stay. It is, whether we like it or not, such an integral part of our lives! Tax breaks, tax hikes, defence spending, so on so on, we couldn't discuss them because they can be deemed political. I was half tempted to have a whinge about the idiot local candidates in the ACT election standing by the side of the highways waving at traffic and causing chaos, and point out they were predominantly from 1 particular party, but I couldnt. We just need to keep it civil, and failing that, we need Tak's squirrel!

10-13-08, 09:27 PM	#15
PeriscopeDepth Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 1,894 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Political threads on this forum are more often than not the Subsim.com equivalent of the Jerry Springer show and we'd be better off without. IMO. PD