V.P. Debate poll

SteamWake · 10-03-08, 11:21 AM

Noticed no one put one of these up yet :hmm:

Konovalov · 10-03-08, 11:35 AM

A tie. Neither made any giant gaffes. It wasn't the train wreck that I thought it may be. Fairly dull.

The only thing of any real interest that struck me was how impartial and professional the moderator was given the host of complaints and outrage by some members on this forum and by the McCain campaign.

Oh yeah, and that single VP debate ain't going to make jack of a difference come the November election but everyone knew that anyway.

Digital_Trucker · 10-03-08, 11:41 AM

Definitely a tie, which is a win for McCain/Palin since everyone expected her to fall on her face and also a win for Obama/Biden because many expected Jokin' Joe to gaffe himself to death. Both sides made points, both sides distorted the truth to fit their points.

The saddest part of all was the moderation. The rules were laid out before the questions started and after the first question, the moderator (and I use the term loosely) broke the rules by going on to the second question without the 2 minute rebuttal period. Overall, a very disorganized affair. PBS should be ashamed of the first two debates since, IMHO, both moderators were complete failures. Hope the next two are more debate and less speech.

SteamWake · 10-03-08, 11:43 AM

Ill have to admit, the moderator did a good job of trying to be impartial.

Bidin did admit to being against Gay Marrige, which supprised me. Im sure that alone will lose them some votes. He made a few other gaffes, along with a few outright lies at which Palin missed a real opportunity.

Palin came off a little too 'common folk' and stammered a bit at first. But I felt once she got over the jitters and stuck to conservitave Reganesque principals she did well.

FIREWALL · 10-03-08, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Ill have to admit, the moderator did a good job of trying to be impartial.

Bidin did admit to being against Gay Marrige, which supprised me. Im sure that alone will lose them some votes. He made a few other gaffes, along with a few outright lies at which Palin missed a real opportunity.

Palin came off a little too 'common folk' and stammered a bit at first. But I felt once she got over the jitters and stuck to conservitave Reganesque principals she did well.

I picked up on that "common folksy" too. Supriseingly non of my friends did. Oh well.

Digital_Trucker · 10-03-08, 11:58 AM

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SteamWake · 10-03-08, 12:34 PM

Thats newclur... sheese get it right...

Okay for some fun "Fact checking" yea I know its fox but facts is facts.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...ential-debate/

Frame57 · 10-03-08, 12:48 PM

IMO Sarah needs to knock off the "Geez, gosh golly " stuff. I too was not impressed by the debate. Really what I would like to see is both candidates Obama and McCain do an address the nation type deal on the TV. Simply present their plans in detail, because that is what we want to know. Not his same old "he voted for this or that", over and over again...

SteamWake · 10-03-08, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Frame57

IMO Sarah needs to knock off the "Geez, gosh golly " stuff. I too was not impressed by the debate. Really what I would like to see is both candidates Obama and McCain do an address the nation type deal on the TV. Simply present their plans in detail, because that is what we want to know. Not his same old "he voted for this or that", over and over again...

You dont feel that the candidates past voting records are relevant?

It is repeated over and over again because the average american has the attention span of a gnat on speed.

nikimcbee · 10-03-08, 01:34 PM

I watched it and the post debate anaysis on ABC. This part was priceless; very typical

. They gave the debate a tie, no naturally, when the score is a tie, you declare Biden the winner.:rotfl:

I thought the debate was all fluff, zero substance. I think they both met their goals: Biden: Mccann=bush and Palin held her ground..

The best I heard was Dennis Miller on Leno last night. Now that was funny! Hopefully it will be on youtube soon. His critisism of obama was spot on and really funny.

DeepIron · 10-03-08, 01:39 PM

Nah... it's "new clear"... Avon's new face cream for politicians who constantly have egg on their face...

nikimcbee · 10-03-08, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Frame57

IMO Sarah needs to knock off the "Geez, gosh golly " stuff. I too was not impressed by the debate. Really what I would like to see is both candidates Obama and McCain do an address the nation type deal on the TV. Simply present their plans in detail, because that is what we want to know. Not his same old "he voted for this or that", over and over again...

Yeah, this blame game stuff is lame. George Bush stomps kittens and John Mccann will stomp kittens too.

Althought Palin had a really bad gaffe when she kept talking about General McCleallan.

If Iwas mccan/palin, I would attack all of obama's "present" votes

. Every issue, every time he voted present. i suppose no one is interested in the Rezko stuff

Thomen · 10-03-08, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

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Originally Posted by Frame57

IMO Sarah needs to knock off the "Geez, gosh golly " stuff. I too was not impressed by the debate. Really what I would like to see is both candidates Obama and McCain do an address the nation type deal on the TV. Simply present their plans in detail, because that is what we want to know. Not his same old "he voted for this or that", over and over again...

Yeah, this blame game stuff is lame. George Bush stomps kittens and John Mccann will stomp kittens too.

Althought Palin had a really bad gaffe when she kept talking about General McCleallan.

If Iwas mccan/palin, I would attack all of obama's "present" votes

. Every issue, every time he voted present. i suppose no one is interested in the Rezko stuff

Indeed.
IMO, McCain tries to run a 'honorable' campaign. Instead of going out and confront Obama and Biden directly, he is fighting with one hand tied behind his back. It seems to me, that McCain is sacrificing the Presidency and the future of the USA on the altar of his personal honor. I might be wrong, but that's how I see it.

Digital_Trucker · 10-03-08, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Frame57

IMO Sarah needs to knock off the "Geez, gosh golly " stuff. I too was not impressed by the debate. Really what I would like to see is both candidates Obama and McCain do an address the nation type deal on the TV. Simply present their plans in detail, because that is what we want to know. Not his same old "he voted for this or that", over and over again...

You dont feel that the candidates past voting records are relevant?

It is repeated over and over again because the average american has the attention span of a gnat on speed.

I think what he was referring to was listening to them TALK about their voting records. It's funny that they try to infer all kinds of things knowing that the average person won't check them on it. Like Biden and deregulation. And who gets the most campaign contributions from who. It's all out there to see if you look hard enough, but most people just take what's said as fact.

Sailor Steve · 10-03-08, 02:07 PM

'Honorable'? Really. In the last election whenever the Democrats would complain about the Swift Boat ads, I was quick to bring up the fact that their side compared Bush to Hitler long before that.

But this time? McCain's intense attacks started right at the beginning. I lost any respect for him as a candidate right then.

View Poll Results: Whom do you believe 'won' the 10/02/08 VP debate
Biden	17	42.50%
Palin	12	30.00%
A tie	11	27.50%
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10-03-08, 11:21 AM	#1
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	V.P. Debate poll Noticed no one put one of these up yet :hmm:

10-03-08, 11:35 AM	#2
Konovalov Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: High Wycombe, Bucks, UK Posts: 2,811 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	A tie. Neither made any giant gaffes. It wasn't the train wreck that I thought it may be. Fairly dull. The only thing of any real interest that struck me was how impartial and professional the moderator was given the host of complaints and outrage by some members on this forum and by the McCain campaign. Oh yeah, and that single VP debate ain't going to make jack of a difference come the November election but everyone knew that anyway. __________________ "In a Christian context, sexuality is traditionally seen as a consequence of the Fall, but for Muslims, it is an anticipation of paradise. So I can say, I think, that I was validly converted to Islam by a teenage French Jewish nudist." Sheikh Abdul-Hakim Murad (Timothy Winter)

10-03-08, 11:41 AM	#3
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	Definitely a tie, which is a win for McCain/Palin since everyone expected her to fall on her face and also a win for Obama/Biden because many expected Jokin' Joe to gaffe himself to death. Both sides made points, both sides distorted the truth to fit their points. The saddest part of all was the moderation. The rules were laid out before the questions started and after the first question, the moderator (and I use the term loosely) broke the rules by going on to the second question without the 2 minute rebuttal period. Overall, a very disorganized affair. PBS should be ashamed of the first two debates since, IMHO, both moderators were complete failures. Hope the next two are more debate and less speech. __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

10-03-08, 01:34 PM	#10
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I watched it and the post debate anaysis on ABC. This part was priceless; very typical . They gave the debate a tie, no naturally, when the score is a tie, you declare Biden the winner.:rotfl: I thought the debate was all fluff, zero substance. I think they both met their goals: Biden: Mccann=bush and Palin held her ground.. The best I heard was Dennis Miller on Leno last night. Now that was funny! Hopefully it will be on youtube soon. His critisism of obama was spot on and really funny. __________________

10-03-08, 11:43 AM	#4
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Ill have to admit, the moderator did a good job of trying to be impartial. Bidin did admit to being against Gay Marrige, which supprised me. Im sure that alone will lose them some votes. He made a few other gaffes, along with a few outright lies at which Palin missed a real opportunity. Palin came off a little too 'common folk' and stammered a bit at first. But I felt once she got over the jitters and stuck to conservitave Reganesque principals she did well.

10-03-08, 12:34 PM	#7
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Thats newclur... sheese get it right... Okay for some fun "Fact checking" yea I know its fox but facts is facts. http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...ential-debate/

10-03-08, 12:48 PM	#8
Frame57 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: 1300 feet on the crapper Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	IMO Sarah needs to knock off the "Geez, gosh golly " stuff. I too was not impressed by the debate. Really what I would like to see is both candidates Obama and McCain do an address the nation type deal on the TV. Simply present their plans in detail, because that is what we want to know. Not his same old "he voted for this or that", over and over again...

10-03-08, 01:39 PM	#11
DeepIron Sea Lord Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Too far from the Pacific right now... Posts: 1,634 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Nah... it's "new clear"... Avon's new face cream for politicians who constantly have egg on their face... __________________ RFB / RSRDC Beta Tester RFB / RSRDC Modding Forum: http://forum.kickinbak.com/index.php RFB Top Post link: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=125529 RFB Loadout: RFB_V1.52_102408: RFB_V1.52_Patch_111608: RSRDC_RFBv15_V396

10-03-08, 02:07 PM	#15
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	'Honorable'? Really. In the last election whenever the Democrats would complain about the Swift Boat ads, I was quick to bring up the fact that their side compared Bush to Hitler long before that. But this time? McCain's intense attacks started right at the beginning. I lost any respect for him as a candidate right then. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo