Abortion, choice or murder.

[Seth8530]

I'm just curios of everyone's opinion on this. Do you believe abortion to be a choice or it to be murder?


NOTE TO MOD. Could you please add an option for only in choice for rape, and maternal health. and change the choice option as choice in the form of birth control

[UnderseaLcpl]

This might get fun soon.

I'll just say that I support individual rights. IMHO, once a child has a brain cell, I'd consider it worthy of individual rights like not being killed. Before that, I don't consider it as having anymore individual sovereignty than a kidney or a liver.

It's a good compromise if you think about it. Many people think Bush has at least one brain cell, and it isn't legal to kill him.

[Onkel Neal]

Just a friendly warning, this is the kind of topic that gets people hot, so if you want to debate the topic, fine, just make double sure you don't slip in anything that resembles a personal attack. Brig time if you do, and no appeals. If that seems harsh, avoid this thread.

Neal

[Frame57]

When does it become a human? At conception? Seed has life it too, so then when a sperm cell dies is that murder? i would propbably be a mass murderer at this stage of the game if that were true. To me having babies is the normal by product of sex and was meant to be. I would not allow an abortion if my wife wanted one. Heck I would get another wife first. Very tough question that is difficult to answer.

[Digital_Trucker]

All I'll say on the subject is that I'm very happy that abortion wasn't much of an option when my parents were deciding what to do about me. Life may suck, but I'd rather be here than not.

Perhaps we should narrow the poll down to whether we are talking about abortion as a form of birth control or whether we're talking about abortion for some medical reason?

[kiwi_2005]

Choice1. Adopt the child out. If a young woman just out of college gets pregnant this will hamper her career unless she comes from a well off family that can hire a nanny while she goes off to make a living other wise she's going to live a life bringing up child and trying to better herself career wise which doesn't always work when you have a child to bring up.

Choice2. Third world countries - abortion: Whats better to bring up a child in poverty or to have an abortion and save that being a life of misery/hardship.
What is the statistics 30,000+ children die every day in some third world countries cause of poverty and diseases, what is the point of bringing a child into that type of world only to see them die a slow and ugly death?

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Seth8530

I'm just curios of everyone's opinion on this. Do you believe abortion to be a choice or it to be murder?

Your poll is missing one important option..
Medical necessity, as in the mother live is in danger if she carries the child out.

EDIT: Wife just came up with another one that is missing.. what is with rape and incest childs?

[Mush Martin]

If we accept abortion as murder does celibacy then become
negligent Homocide.:hmm:

[Platapus]

If we accept that life begins at conception, then should a woman who miscarries be investigated for involuntary manslaughter?

[jpm1]

i think you canno't tell a woman what she can or can't do mothers know better than anyboby what should be done . i'm for the abortion cause as kiwi_2005 said if in some cases the child 's born and must suffer it's better that he doesn't born and like Thomem said you can't neither force a woman victim of a rape to keep the child . i know personnaly a woman who aborted it's a real tromatism and believe me a woman who takes such decision has thought to the question at lengh and knows perfectly what she's doing

[Mush Martin]

I think a father is a parent and a person
what no rights?

Interestingly in my country, Finland, abortion is "legal for rape, maternal life, health, socioeconomic factors and/or fetal defects". Always thought my country is among the most liberal when it comes to this but I guess I was wrong. Even USA is more liberal in this issue. However the so called morning after - pills are readily available in my country.

Anyway, I recently watched a documentary called Lake of fire by Tony Kaye, the director of American History X. Not for the squemish. Personally I'm pro-choice, Kaye seemed to be undecided on the issue. I'm for women's rights and equality etc. and don't want to see a kind of swing to the religious side on this issue. The killings of abortion doctors etc. is to me terrorism that seems to exist in, for example, USA.

[Mush Martin]

I think that for such issues as described in finland its about right
but I also feel that abortion should be by consenting choice of
both parents. Men are given no say in there childrens fate.

[edit]He cant tell her what to do with her body but they participated with
the body willingly (with some exceptions) when it all started and if
a reasoning parent is willing and able to take charge of the responisbility
why shouldnt they be allowed.[end edit]

I feel that a consent clause should be included in any well reasoned
abortion law after all were offending half the voters if we dont.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Platapus

If we accept that life begins at conception, then should a woman who miscarries be investigated for involuntary manslaughter?

If we accept partial birth abortion as birth control, are we not condoning murder? (Edit: the worst possible form of murder, murder for convenience)

It amazes me that so many pro-choice folks are also against the death penalty and that so many pro-lifeers are for the death penalty. Go figure:hmm:

[JHuschke]

Choice