Interesting 9/11 analysis

Kapitan_Phillips · 06-23-08, 04:35 PM

Whatcha think?

PeriscopeDepth · 06-23-08, 04:49 PM

I don't think "Crock of ****" is strong enough, personally.

PD

Kapitan_Phillips · 06-23-08, 04:52 PM

You dont think he makes a few good points?

PeriscopeDepth · 06-23-08, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

You dont think he makes a few good points?

Did I somehow make it sound like he did? I thought I was pretty unequivocal.

PD

AVGWarhawk · 06-23-08, 05:05 PM

This has been analyized to death. Jesse "the body" Ventura...I do not have time to bleed....when he comes up with a paperwork that he fully understand structrual engineering, then we can talk. The trade centers were constructed with a exoskeleton as support. The persons who took control of the planes obviously studied these buildings and it's construction thus understanding it's weak points creating a possible collapse. They studied well and found that hitting the corners of the building could create a unstable structure producing a collapse. Of course we know the results. This was well planned and well executed. The only conspiracy here are those that made some sort of profit from this act of aggression. I guess Jesse will now right a book on his theories and make his profit.

Sailor Steve · 06-23-08, 06:04 PM

I've watched the videos many times, and it's obvious in the case of the two main towers that the top portions collapsed onto the crash points first. The rest falls from the top down. There are puffs of smoke lower down, probably from pressure as the higher portions force the air out of the floors below. It doesn't look like there are any interior explosions to me.

I don't know much about building 7, but these guys do:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...42.html?page=5

Also see:

mapuc · 06-23-08, 07:15 PM

I hope that one day, if not for the american, than the people of the free world, that the real truth about this will come furth.

I'm not saying that it's your government or so.

Markus

joegrundman · 06-23-08, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The trade centers were constructed with a exoskeleton as support. The persons who took control of the planes obviously studied these buildings and it's construction thus understanding it's weak points creating a possible collapse. They studied well and found that hitting the corners of the building could create a unstable structure producing a collapse. Of course we know the results. This was well planned and well executed.

while i do not disagree with your general point, i'd like to say that it is not necessarily true that the attackers fully understood the weaknesses of the structure.

Firstly, from what is known, the targets were chosen not for their vulnerability but for their symbolic value

Secondly early reports from Bin Laden's camp reported a reaction of surprise that the buildings collapsed completely

baggygreen · 06-23-08, 07:48 PM

Not again....

internal 'explosions' below the actual collapse is, funnily enough, like steve said - the result of high pressure you generally get from thousands of tonnes of steel crashing down into a small space... air has to go somewhere!

I'm also sure that the architects of the towers didnt really anticipate the need to make it plane-flying-into-side-of-building-proof, either! The force of the impact would already render any building potentially written-off, and thats before the heat stress brought on by the intense heat from the fuel exploding.

I would like to compare the 9/11 conspiracy theorists to those who believe in aliens and UFOs, but i cant, because theres more chance that aliens and UFOs are real!

AVGWarhawk · 06-24-08, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by joegrundman

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The trade centers were constructed with a exoskeleton as support. The persons who took control of the planes obviously studied these buildings and it's construction thus understanding it's weak points creating a possible collapse. They studied well and found that hitting the corners of the building could create a unstable structure producing a collapse. Of course we know the results. This was well planned and well executed.

while i do not disagree with your general point, i'd like to say that it is not necessarily true that the attackers fully understood the weaknesses of the structure.

Firstly, from what is known, the targets were chosen not for their vulnerability but for their symbolic value

Secondly early reports from Bin Laden's camp reported a reaction of surprise that the buildings collapsed completely

I would have to disagree on the symbolic value....these buildings are the World Trade Centers...I believe it to be more a financial disruption. The stock markets closed for days. Many financial firms were in this building. Symbolically, I would think they would have gone after some structure in DC if that is the point they were attempting to make. The Pentagon, symbolic of the weakness in America the building that houses all the armed forces is readily attacked. The 3rd plane was headed south towards DC. I do not believe it is know were this plane was headed. I suspect a target in Washington DC. Of course the passengers ended that flight in a field located in PA. So we will never know unless the master minds start talking. Perhaps since the trade centers were hit they were after a secondary target of opportunity? I'm not sure. I have not heard or read anything about surprise by the group of individuals behind this that the building collapsed. Hitting the corners looked to be deliberate to me.

MothBalls · 06-24-08, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Whatcha think?

I think he spends too much time on the Internets.

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AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	This has been analyized to death. Jesse "the body" Ventura...I do not have time to bleed....when he comes up with a paperwork that he fully understand structrual engineering, then we can talk. The trade centers were constructed with a exoskeleton as support. The persons who took control of the planes obviously studied these buildings and it's construction thus understanding it's weak points creating a possible collapse. They studied well and found that hitting the corners of the building could create a unstable structure producing a collapse. Of course we know the results. This was well planned and well executed. The only conspiracy here are those that made some sort of profit from this act of aggression. I guess Jesse will now right a book on his theories and make his profit. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

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Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I've watched the videos many times, and it's obvious in the case of the two main towers that the top portions collapsed onto the crash points first. The rest falls from the top down. There are puffs of smoke lower down, probably from pressure as the higher portions force the air out of the floors below. It doesn't look like there are any interior explosions to me. I don't know much about building 7, but these guys do: http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...42.html?page=5 Also see: __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

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PeriscopeDepth Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 1,894 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I don't think "Crock of ****" is strong enough, personally. PD

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mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,535 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I hope that one day, if not for the american, than the people of the free world, that the real truth about this will come furth. I'm not saying that it's your government or so. Markus

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baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Not again.... internal 'explosions' below the actual collapse is, funnily enough, like steve said - the result of high pressure you generally get from thousands of tonnes of steel crashing down into a small space... air has to go somewhere! I'm also sure that the architects of the towers didnt really anticipate the need to make it plane-flying-into-side-of-building-proof, either! The force of the impact would already render any building potentially written-off, and thats before the heat stress brought on by the intense heat from the fuel exploding. I would like to compare the 9/11 conspiracy theorists to those who believe in aliens and UFOs, but i cant, because theres more chance that aliens and UFOs are real!