Unfair gun reloading times

DavyJonesFootlocker · 03-27-08, 03:13 PM

I know the deck gun takes 25 secs to reload. What I don't understand is why deck guns on enemy ships rate of fire is like a Gatling-type gun.

kikn79 · 03-27-08, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DavyJonesFootlocker

I know the deck gun takes 25 secs to reload. What I don't understand is why deck guns on enemy ships rate of fire is like a Gatling-type gun.

They have a much more stable platform to be able to reload the gun. i.e. they can reload faster and fill you full of lead.

Chuck

kv29 · 03-27-08, 07:45 PM

btw, you are NOT supposed to engage in a DG duel with other ships, subs were not meant to do such things. In real life a hit could ruin the pressure hull beyond repair at sea, making your sub a sitting duck out there.

swdw · 03-28-08, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DavyJonesFootlocker

I know the deck gun takes 25 secs to reload. What I don't understand is why deck guns on enemy ships rate of fire is like a Gatling-type gun.

Well lessee. A sub has one gun and everything has to be carried and loaded by hand. So it averages 2.2 shells per minute with the 5" gun.

The Kaibokan could average 8 shells per minute for each gun. The Akizuki could match the US 5" guns ROF which was 15 rounds per minute.

With 3 guns the Kaibokan can achieve a ROF of 24 shells per miute- over 10 times the ROF of the sub

The Akizuki had EIGHT guns, capable of delivering a total of 120 shells a minute or 54 times the ROF the sub is capable of.

So you can see why you feel like your facing a gattling gun.

Rockin Robbins · 03-28-08, 06:11 AM

Just load up swdw/LukeFF/kv29's Real Deck Gun and see what happens when you don't have a gyro-stabilized deck gun. You have no clue how bad the real comparison is from submarine to Japanese warship or even armed merchant. Comparatively, you have a laser guided, gyro-stabilized machine gun. Enjoy.

Edit: It gets worse, not only is your gun laser guided and gyro stabilized, but if you're not using TM/New Real Deck Gun you're also shooting photon torpedoes that will sink a target in at most a couple dozen shots. My deck gun takes at least 100 hits to sink just about anything larger than a sampan. A normal sinking takes 20 minutes real time minimum. I don't usually attack uninjured opponents for that reason.

Edit Edit: check out this thread for a full explanation of the deck gun and its use in SH4. This is from the last version of Real Fleet Boat that I ran.

DavyJonesFootlocker · 03-28-08, 08:41 AM

Ok here what happened. I had hit a Large Modern Composite Freighter with my second to last torp. She slowed down a bit and thought I'd finish the job with the Deckkie. Well, I noticed the bow deck gun on the merchant and said 'Oh-Oh'. So I let my DC crew rip away. Then the enemy sharted shooting back and his rate was faster than mines and more accurate. He missed a couple of times and I had crashed dived but not before he hit my conning tower. Then things got worse. I clicked the torp compartment and a message box came up saying if I wanted to insert commandos? Has Ducimus smoked dem funny cigarettes again? Is RR really Hillary Clinton in disguise? Has Peabody won the Miss USA Teen Pageant? What going on here?

AVGWarhawk · 03-28-08, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by swdw

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Originally Posted by DavyJonesFootlocker

I know the deck gun takes 25 secs to reload. What I don't understand is why deck guns on enemy ships rate of fire is like a Gatling-type gun.

Well lessee. A sub has one gun and everything has to be carried and loaded by hand. So it averages 2.2 shells per minute with the 5" gun.

The Kaibokan could average 8 shells per minute for each gun. The Akizuki could match the US 5" guns ROF which was 15 rounds per minute.

With 3 guns the Kaibokan can achieve a ROF of 24 shells per miute- over 10 times the ROF of the sub

The Akizuki had EIGHT guns, capable of delivering a total of 120 shells a minute or 54 times the ROF the sub is capable of.

So you can see why you feel like your facing a gattling gun.

Somebody did their homework

Rockin Robbins · 03-28-08, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DavyJonesFootlocker

I clicked the torp compartment and a message box came up saying if I wanted to insert commandos? Has Ducimus smoked dem funny cigarettes again? Is RR really Hillary Clinton in disguise? Has Peabody won the Miss USA Teen Pageant? What going on here?

And what about Mary Lou?

DavyJonesFootlocker · 03-28-08, 10:12 AM

RE: RR:rotfl::rotfl:

but I'm serious about that message box.

Wilcke · 03-28-08, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DavyJonesFootlocker

RE: RR:rotfl::rotfl:

but I'm serious about that message box.

I am confused did Mary Lou win the Miss USA Pageant or did Ducimus. :hmm: Its no fun getting old....I think this is a good time to take a break and have a nice BM.

DavyJonesFootlocker · 03-28-08, 04:01 PM

What's a BM?

Rockin Robbins · 03-28-08, 04:18 PM

What's a nice BM?

03-29-08, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

What's a nice BM?

If you have to ask, you are probably not old.

03-27-08, 03:13 PM	#1
DavyJonesFootlocker The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stink Drunk in Trinidad Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	Unfair gun reloading times I know the deck gun takes 25 secs to reload. What I don't understand is why deck guns on enemy ships rate of fire is like a Gatling-type gun. __________________ "Silence means death. Stand on your feet. Inner fear your worst enemy."- Sepultura. My Silent Hunter 5 mantra is this......"Torpedo missed, sir!" A P-400 is a P-40 with a Zero after it. A proud member of the Wikipedia Haters Club

03-28-08, 06:11 AM	#5
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	And you have a sissy gun as it is Just load up swdw/LukeFF/kv29's Real Deck Gun and see what happens when you don't have a gyro-stabilized deck gun. You have no clue how bad the real comparison is from submarine to Japanese warship or even armed merchant. Comparatively, you have a laser guided, gyro-stabilized machine gun. Enjoy. Edit: It gets worse, not only is your gun laser guided and gyro stabilized, but if you're not using TM/New Real Deck Gun you're also shooting photon torpedoes that will sink a target in at most a couple dozen shots. My deck gun takes at least 100 hits to sink just about anything larger than a sampan. A normal sinking takes 20 minutes real time minimum. I don't usually attack uninjured opponents for that reason. Edit Edit: check out this thread for a full explanation of the deck gun and its use in SH4. This is from the last version of Real Fleet Boat that I ran. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS Last edited by Rockin Robbins; 03-28-08 at 08:23 AM.

03-28-08, 08:41 AM	#6
DavyJonesFootlocker The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stink Drunk in Trinidad Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	Ok here what happened. I had hit a Large Modern Composite Freighter with my second to last torp. She slowed down a bit and thought I'd finish the job with the Deckkie. Well, I noticed the bow deck gun on the merchant and said 'Oh-Oh'. So I let my DC crew rip away. Then the enemy sharted shooting back and his rate was faster than mines and more accurate. He missed a couple of times and I had crashed dived but not before he hit my conning tower. Then things got worse. I clicked the torp compartment and a message box came up saying if I wanted to insert commandos? Has Ducimus smoked dem funny cigarettes again? Is RR really Hillary Clinton in disguise? Has Peabody won the Miss USA Teen Pageant? What going on here? __________________ "Silence means death. Stand on your feet. Inner fear your worst enemy."- Sepultura. My Silent Hunter 5 mantra is this......"Torpedo missed, sir!" A P-400 is a P-40 with a Zero after it. A proud member of the Wikipedia Haters Club

03-28-08, 10:12 AM	#9
DavyJonesFootlocker The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stink Drunk in Trinidad Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	RE: RR:rotfl::rotfl: but I'm serious about that message box. __________________ "Silence means death. Stand on your feet. Inner fear your worst enemy."- Sepultura. My Silent Hunter 5 mantra is this......"Torpedo missed, sir!" A P-400 is a P-40 with a Zero after it. A proud member of the Wikipedia Haters Club

03-28-08, 04:01 PM	#11
DavyJonesFootlocker The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stink Drunk in Trinidad Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	What's a BM? __________________ "Silence means death. Stand on your feet. Inner fear your worst enemy."- Sepultura. My Silent Hunter 5 mantra is this......"Torpedo missed, sir!" A P-400 is a P-40 with a Zero after it. A proud member of the Wikipedia Haters Club

03-27-08, 07:45 PM	#3
kv29 Watch Officer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Buenos Aires Posts: 342 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	btw, you are NOT supposed to engage in a DG duel with other ships, subs were not meant to do such things. In real life a hit could ruin the pressure hull beyond repair at sea, making your sub a sitting duck out there.

03-28-08, 04:18 PM	#12
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	What's a nice BM? __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS