Sinking "Neutral" Ships, GWX 2.0

the.terrabyte.pirate · 03-07-08, 09:31 AM

So I'm leading my merry band out on our first patrol. Travelling through AN32 we pick up a hydrophone merchant contact. So far they've been our own ships, or neutral vessels lit up like a christmas tree. The problem is that on closer inspection we discover that the ship is Danish. The date is currently September 7, 1939. According to my flag recognition chart, Germany shouldn't be at war with Denmark until 1940.

The interesting thing is that the ship was not behaving like the neutral vessel it should be. There are no running lights on the ship, and no spotlights illuminating the flag. :hmm:

Being the suspicious fellow that I am, and possibly a bit greedy for renown and promotions, I immediately assume it's a treacherous Danish plot, an act of war no less, and stick two fish into her

. I figured that if she didn't want to be torped, she should have been a bit more obvious about her neutrality.

Will I be punished when I get back to port?

Does GWX 2.0 recognise the change of a country's status from neutral to participant, and change the running lights/spotlights on their vessels, or will I be running across blacked out ships belonging to countries that I am not yet at war with?

3Jane · 03-07-08, 09:35 AM

You can check the dates of thier neutrality on the 'flags' sheet in the UZO.

Hanomag · 03-07-08, 09:36 AM

1st ..Welcome Aboard Kaluen!!!

Sinking neutral ships. Neutral ships will cost you the same renown amount that you would earn for sinking the equivalent enemy ship. Armed neutral ships will also begin firing on you. As with sinking friendly ships, sinking neutrals can lead to the end of your career in the Kriegsmarine.

right from the community manual.... watch your eels Herr Kaluen

the.terrabyte.pirate · 03-07-08, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Hanomag

1st ..Welcome Aboard Kaluen!!!

Sinking neutral ships. Neutral ships will cost you the same renown amount that you would earn for sinking the equivalent enemy ship. Armed neutral ships will also begin firing on you. As with sinking friendly ships, sinking neutrals can lead to the end of your career in the Kriegsmarine.

right from the community manual.... watch your eels Herr Kaluen

Hate to burst your bubble, but the community manual seems to be no longer around. I've been looking for a few weeks.

The thing it... it wasn't acting neutral... isn't acting suspicious an act of war? Doesn't it deserve a one way trip south?

the.terrabyte.pirate · 03-07-08, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 3Jane

You can check the dates of thier neutrality on the 'flags' sheet in the UZO.

I did... Denmark joins the allies in 1940... in 1939 it was neutral... so why wasn't it lit up like it was neutral?

Sailor Steve · 03-07-08, 01:16 PM

Because not every ship acts the same way all the time. You, as captain, actually need to look at the flag and check the status.

And exactly what 'bubble' was Hanomag floating in that needed bursting? He was only trying to help.

Kptlt. Siegmann · 03-07-08, 01:28 PM

I had that problem early on in my previous career when attacking a convoy. I'd look at the flags and see British flags on most of them, so alright, they're all British!

Of course one of the ships I sink happens to be neutral...gotta be looking for solid identification before attack. I learned that the hard way.

Hanomag · 03-07-08, 04:23 PM

Thanks Steve, I did feel kinda torpedoed by that comment. :hmm:

Talk about sinking neutrals..sheesh!

the.terrabyte.pirate · 03-07-08, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hanomag

Thanks Steve, I did feel kinda torpedoed by that comment. :hmm:

Talk about sinking neutrals..sheesh!

Apologies. I've been frustrated looking for the community manual for some time. Sometimes I think that people don't seem to be aware that it's down. I didn't mean to come across as brusque.

the.terrabyte.pirate · 03-07-08, 05:46 PM

Well, you were right. I got curious, so I saved and ended the patrol then and there. I find I'm now negative 175 renown.

I am most displeased by this, and will be writing a letter of complaint to Uncle Karl. If some stranger is skulking through my back yard, I believe I have the perfect right to knock him.

I still think the ship was asking for it...

...and now I'm hungry after all this talk of Danishes.

Brag · 03-07-08, 06:07 PM

J.S. Balz writes:
Nevermind the negative. BDU are a bunch of jerks. Think Hoochie-woochie. Listen to the soft murmur of ships approavhing on the hydrophone. Their screws turning like a gramophone sending a song of sirens calling for the destruction of the enemy. I , Kptlt. Johan Sebastian Balz, the greatest Kaleun ever to sail the oceans urge you to follow my shining example of super efficiency and sink the British vermin polluting the seas of the world.

Sailor Steve · 03-07-08, 06:11 PM

I posted my solution to the neutral problem earlier today on this thread:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=132499

Since they were legitimate targets in convoys they shouldn't get negative renown there, and the '0' bonus keeps them from being worthwhile otherwise. Given what we have I think it's a fair solution.

the.terrabyte.pirate · 03-07-08, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I posted my solution to the neutral problem earlier today on this thread:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=132499

Since they were legitimate targets in convoys they shouldn't get negative renown there, and the '0' bonus keeps them from being worthwhile otherwise. Given what we have I think it's a fair solution.

Fantastic. Now I'll use that big, brightly lit red cross on those white ships as a bullseye! Tonnage, here we come.

You're right. It's a fair solution. A true neutral should be lit up for the world to avoid. Only the guilty creep about in the darkness acting suspicious.

the.terrabyte.pirate · 03-11-08, 07:50 AM

Now THIS is what I'm talking about. It's September '39, and I'm not at war with America. It's a tempting target, but it's obviously neutral with lights ablaze.

It's not skulking around asking to be torped. That Danish ship had it coming.

Sailor Steve · 03-11-08, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by the.terrabyte.pirate

You're right. It's a fair solution. A true neutral should be lit up for the world to avoid. Only the guilty creep about in the darkness acting suspicious.

So, what should I do with this one?

03-07-08, 09:31 AM	#1
the.terrabyte.pirate Navy Dude Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 176 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Sinking "Neutral" Ships, GWX 2.0 So I'm leading my merry band out on our first patrol. Travelling through AN32 we pick up a hydrophone merchant contact. So far they've been our own ships, or neutral vessels lit up like a christmas tree. The problem is that on closer inspection we discover that the ship is Danish. The date is currently September 7, 1939. According to my flag recognition chart, Germany shouldn't be at war with Denmark until 1940. The interesting thing is that the ship was not behaving like the neutral vessel it should be. There are no running lights on the ship, and no spotlights illuminating the flag. :hmm: Being the suspicious fellow that I am, and possibly a bit greedy for renown and promotions, I immediately assume it's a treacherous Danish plot, an act of war no less, and stick two fish into her. I figured that if she didn't want to be torped, she should have been a bit more obvious about her neutrality. Will I be punished when I get back to port? Does GWX 2.0 recognise the change of a country's status from neutral to participant, and change the running lights/spotlights on their vessels, or will I be running across blacked out ships belonging to countries that I am not yet at war with? __________________ A kings ransom, or a stove boat.

03-07-08, 09:35 AM	#2
3Jane Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: York. Northern England. Posts: 1,004 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You can check the dates of thier neutrality on the 'flags' sheet in the UZO. __________________ Fate opposes me in vitality and morality, forced ever onward, burdened, always in shackles. So this very moment, without tarrying, pluck the quivering strings. Because fate punishes the one who plays, all lament with me. (http://hosted.filefront.com/KatherineRowan)

03-07-08, 09:36 AM	#3
Hanomag Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: LI NY Posts: 964 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	1st ..Welcome Aboard Kaluen!!! Sinking neutral ships. Neutral ships will cost you the same renown amount that you would earn for sinking the equivalent enemy ship. Armed neutral ships will also begin firing on you. As with sinking friendly ships, sinking neutrals can lead to the end of your career in the Kriegsmarine. right from the community manual.... watch your eels Herr Kaluen __________________ "Only if I can save first..."

03-07-08, 01:16 PM	#6
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Because not every ship acts the same way all the time. You, as captain, actually need to look at the flag and check the status. And exactly what 'bubble' was Hanomag floating in that needed bursting? He was only trying to help. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

03-07-08, 04:23 PM	#8
Hanomag Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: LI NY Posts: 964 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Thanks Steve, I did feel kinda torpedoed by that comment. :hmm: Talk about sinking neutrals..sheesh! __________________ "Only if I can save first..."

03-07-08, 01:28 PM	#7
Kptlt. Siegmann Machinist's Mate Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Docked at Kiel Posts: 128 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	I had that problem early on in my previous career when attacking a convoy. I'd look at the flags and see British flags on most of them, so alright, they're all British! Of course one of the ships I sink happens to be neutral...gotta be looking for solid identification before attack. I learned that the hard way.

03-07-08, 05:46 PM	#10
the.terrabyte.pirate Navy Dude Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 176 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Well, you were right. I got curious, so I saved and ended the patrol then and there. I find I'm now negative 175 renown. I am most displeased by this, and will be writing a letter of complaint to Uncle Karl. If some stranger is skulking through my back yard, I believe I have the perfect right to knock him. I still think the ship was asking for it... ...and now I'm hungry after all this talk of Danishes. __________________ A kings ransom, or a stove boat.

03-07-08, 06:07 PM	#11
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	J.S. Balz writes: Nevermind the negative. BDU are a bunch of jerks. Think Hoochie-woochie. Listen to the soft murmur of ships approavhing on the hydrophone. Their screws turning like a gramophone sending a song of sirens calling for the destruction of the enemy. I , Kptlt. Johan Sebastian Balz, the greatest Kaleun ever to sail the oceans urge you to follow my shining example of super efficiency and sink the British vermin polluting the seas of the world. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

03-07-08, 06:11 PM	#12
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I posted my solution to the neutral problem earlier today on this thread: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=132499 Since they were legitimate targets in convoys they shouldn't get negative renown there, and the '0' bonus keeps them from being worthwhile otherwise. Given what we have I think it's a fair solution. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

03-11-08, 07:50 AM	#14
the.terrabyte.pirate Navy Dude Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 176 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Now THIS is what I'm talking about. It's September '39, and I'm not at war with America. It's a tempting target, but it's obviously neutral with lights ablaze. It's not skulking around asking to be torped. That Danish ship had it coming. __________________ A kings ransom, or a stove boat.