Pitch Testing Renewed - New videos to watch

panthercules · 01-14-08, 02:46 AM

Decided to resume my testing of settings to try to induce a more pleasing (and hopefully realistic-looking) pitching motion of the player's submarine.

As with the earlier tests, I have uploaded a couple of videos depicting a couple of different approaches - if you have time and inclination, it would be very helpful if you could take a couple of minutes to watch the 2 videos (about 1 minute each) and then vote in the poll to say which one you like better.

Take 1 can be found here:

Take 2 can be found here:

Thanks for your help.

The General · 01-14-08, 03:33 AM

Version 2 get's my vote by a long way because there is noticeable Pitch and Roll. The first one is just alot of Roll (side to side) and very little Pitch. Personally, in big seas I'd like to see the boat pitch so dramatically that the bow [and Stern] breaks the horizon from the bridge's P.O.V.

On another matter, is the T.D.T. on American Subs not gyroscopically balanced like it is on the U-Boats? 'Cos mine certainly doesn't behave like it.

SteveW1 · 01-14-08, 04:29 AM

definately take 2 looks better, to much roll in the first one and not enough pitch.

rascal101 · 01-14-08, 05:37 AM

Speaking as an ex sailor vers 2 is the one without a doubt, this mod looks real nice, was wondering if you have any idea how to make more realistic spray and surge around conning tower, deck gun and other deck structures when the sub dives and surfaces.

At present theres only a bit of spray and foam around the conning tower when you dive I cant help feeling this needs beefing up a bit

My two cents worth Vers 2 without a doubt

R

TopcatWA · 01-14-08, 06:10 AM

Version 2 by a mile.

DrBeast · 01-14-08, 06:16 AM

Take 2. Looks more natural. Maybe the roll is a wee bit too much, but that's just my personal opinion. Looks great overall!

EAF274 Johan · 01-14-08, 06:19 AM

Both made me feel seasick

Another vote for #2: it has more vertical movement than the first, and thus feels more realistic.

Digital_Trucker · 01-14-08, 07:45 AM

Ditto, ditto, ditto, ditto, ditto and ditto. Oh, did I say that I thought two was the best? Two definitely looked more realistic to me, too.

ReallyDedPoet · 01-14-08, 07:54 AM

They are both well done, but the second just a little more.

RDP

swdw · 01-14-08, 09:37 AM

Number 2 most definitely

ReallyDedPoet · 01-14-08, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swdw

Number 2 most definitely

Love your sig., go Packers

RDP

jdkbph · 01-14-08, 09:55 AM

#1 makes the boat look like a cork bobbing in the waves.

#2 looks good for the first 12 seconds or so, and then the rolling gets ridiculous again. 3 seconds to go from 30 degrees port to 30 degrees starboard in anything less than a typhoon is a bit over the top. (pardon the pun) These are 1500 ton displacement (not DWT) vessels navigating open ocean swells, not cigarette boats bouncing through the chop in Biscayne Bay.

Having said that, it occurs to me the problem might not be the physics related to the sub, but the ocean itself. The waves do seem to be a bit exaggerated, in both amplitude and frequency. The waves in your video are more like what you might expect during storm conditions in very shallow water. Deep water waves just don't behave that way.

IMHO

JD

ATR-42 · 01-14-08, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdkbph

#1 makes the boat look like a cork bobbing in the waves.

#2 looks good for the first 12 seconds or so, and then the rolling gets ridiculous again. 3 seconds to go from 30 degrees port to 30 degrees starboard in anything less than a typhoon is a bit over the top. (pardon the pun) These are 1500 ton displacement (not DWT) vessels navigating open ocean swells, not cigarette boats bouncing through the chop in Biscayne Bay.

Having said that, it occurs to me the problem might not be the physics related to the sub, but the ocean itself. The waves do seem to be a bit exaggerated, in both amplitude and frequency. The waves in your video are more like what you might expect during storm conditions in very shallow water. Deep water waves just don't behave that way.

IMHO

JD

Great post lots of good points here...
Id have vote for number two but tone the rolling down just a touch.

I agree with JD in some respects, that these boats were 300' long and HEAVY, however they were rounded hull boats, not a deep v, so im sure they got tossed around roll wise significantly. Its just really hard to 'ball-park" how exactly a wwII sub would behave in a sea. Like we discussed earlier, at 15m/s were looking at around a 15' sea.

Its a tough call. But its a improvement to stock for sure. And even if it is a bit exaggerated from real life (a little) im still in!

after all its supposed to be fun.

Sailor Steve · 01-14-08, 04:52 PM

I think jdkbph hit it right on the head: the problem with the roll isn't that there's too much; it's that it happens too fast. Other than that, of course I agree with everyone else that number 2's pitching is much better.

Weather-guesser · 01-14-08, 07:07 PM

Number 2 most definately is better. I think the roll is a bit much.

View Poll Results: Sub Pitch test #3 - Please watch videos first and vote which you like best.
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01-14-08, 04:29 AM	#3
SteveW1 Watch Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 331 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	definately take 2 looks better, to much roll in the first one and not enough pitch. __________________

01-14-08, 05:37 AM	#4
rascal101 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 769 Downloads: 200 Uploads: 0	Nice idea for a mod vers 2 for me Speaking as an ex sailor vers 2 is the one without a doubt, this mod looks real nice, was wondering if you have any idea how to make more realistic spray and surge around conning tower, deck gun and other deck structures when the sub dives and surfaces. At present theres only a bit of spray and foam around the conning tower when you dive I cant help feeling this needs beefing up a bit My two cents worth Vers 2 without a doubt R

01-14-08, 06:10 AM	#5
TopcatWA Navy Dude Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Downunder W.A. Sth.of the River Posts: 174 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Version 2 by a mile. __________________ Run Silent Run Deep!!!! 01.NSM4 Classic/.RFB v.1.52.1024+Patches 02.RFB Radar HotFix/RSRDC_RFBv15_V420+Patch2 03.Sobers_Better_Rocks & Sand 04.Small_Nav_Tools_w_Chrono 05.Brit_MkVIII_US_Mk28_Torps 06.ROW Sound effects.v.9/Enviromental 5.0 O/S Win10 Pro 64-Bit/Intel 64xQuad Core CPU i7-4790+3.60 Ghz 32gig RAM nVidia GeForce GTX-1650 Ti

01-14-08, 06:16 AM	#6
DrBeast The Old Man Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Somewhere Out In Space Posts: 1,408 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Take 2. Looks more natural. Maybe the roll is a wee bit too much, but that's just my personal opinion. Looks great overall! __________________ Let the Beast inside you free!

01-14-08, 02:46 AM	#1
panthercules The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,336 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Pitch Testing Renewed - New videos to watch Decided to resume my testing of settings to try to induce a more pleasing (and hopefully realistic-looking) pitching motion of the player's submarine. As with the earlier tests, I have uploaded a couple of videos depicting a couple of different approaches - if you have time and inclination, it would be very helpful if you could take a couple of minutes to watch the 2 videos (about 1 minute each) and then vote in the poll to say which one you like better. Take 1 can be found here: Take 2 can be found here: Thanks for your help. __________________ Last edited by panthercules; 01-14-08 at 02:58 AM.

01-14-08, 03:33 AM	#2
The General The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mountain Ash, Wales, U.K. Posts: 1,548 Downloads: 179 Uploads: 3	It's not even close! Version 2 get's my vote by a long way because there is noticeable Pitch and Roll. The first one is just alot of Roll (side to side) and very little Pitch. Personally, in big seas I'd like to see the boat pitch so dramatically that the bow [and Stern] breaks the horizon from the bridge's P.O.V. On another matter, is the T.D.T. on American Subs not gyroscopically balanced like it is on the U-Boats? 'Cos mine certainly doesn't behave like it. __________________ *THE GENERAL* Last edited by The General; 01-14-08 at 04:52 AM.

01-14-08, 06:19 AM	#7
EAF274 Johan Ensign Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Gent, Belgium Posts: 228 Downloads: 94 Uploads: 0	Both made me feel seasick Another vote for #2: it has more vertical movement than the first, and thus feels more realistic. __________________ *Rock 'n' roll is the only religion that will never let you down*

01-14-08, 07:45 AM	#8
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	Ditto, ditto, ditto, ditto, ditto and ditto. Oh, did I say that I thought two was the best? Two definitely looked more realistic to me, too. __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

01-14-08, 07:54 AM	#9
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,887 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	They are both well done, but the second just a little more. RDP __________________ Back in the Day

01-14-08, 09:37 AM	#10
swdw Grey Wolf Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 921 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	Number 2 most definitely __________________ "There are only two types of ships- submarines...... and targets" Unknown "you wouldn't catch me on a ship that deliberately sinks itself"- comment to me from a surface sailor. System: AMD 6300 3.5 GHz \| 32GB DDR3 \| SATA 300 320GB HD, SATA III 1TB HD, SATA III 1.TB HD \| ASUS Sonar DS sound card NVIDIA 1660 Super OC \| Windows 10

01-14-08, 09:55 AM	#12
jdkbph Captain Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 508 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 0	#1 makes the boat look like a cork bobbing in the waves. #2 looks good for the first 12 seconds or so, and then the rolling gets ridiculous again. 3 seconds to go from 30 degrees port to 30 degrees starboard in anything less than a typhoon is a bit over the top. (pardon the pun) These are 1500 ton displacement (not DWT) vessels navigating open ocean swells, not cigarette boats bouncing through the chop in Biscayne Bay. Having said that, it occurs to me the problem might not be the physics related to the sub, but the ocean itself. The waves do seem to be a bit exaggerated, in both amplitude and frequency. The waves in your video are more like what you might expect during storm conditions in very shallow water. Deep water waves just don't behave that way. IMHO JD

01-14-08, 04:52 PM	#14
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I think jdkbph hit it right on the head: the problem with the roll isn't that there's too much; it's that it happens too fast. Other than that, of course I agree with everyone else that number 2's pitching is much better. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-14-08, 07:07 PM	#15
Weather-guesser Lieutenant Join Date: May 2007 Location: Albany, New York USA Posts: 260 Downloads: 72 Uploads: 0	Number 2 most definately is better. I think the roll is a bit much. __________________ NAVY! It's not just a job. It's a Buck Seventy-Five an hour!