DD Disappearance

DavyJonesFootlocker · 03-25-08, 07:18 AM

Ok I know I'm a bit behind in things but I finally managed to get TMO (not for the add-on) and noticed that in 7 war patrols I didn't see any DDs around. In fact I only ran into small naval TFs with Heavy Cruisers and the only time I saw any DDs they were dumb as office furniture. They exploded out of nowhere. I'm using TMO, RSRDC for TMO, NSM4. What gives here?

Rockin Robbins · 03-25-08, 07:27 AM

Well, I'm behind you, having started my U-Boat career before TMO came out. I haven't gone back to port yet so can't install TMO. I don't know if it would be a good idea to install TMO while I'm running a U-Boat campaign anyway, and I hate the idea of installing and uninstalling mods depending on what kind of career I'm running at the time. What if I want to alternate days?

I can see a dual SH4UBM installation coming on: one for U-Boat, one for Fleet Boat. I'm still at sea in Kraken in my last patch 1.4 cruise. I won't be phasing out 1.4 until I return to base on that one. Then I guess it's surgery time.

But to answer your question, if it's 1944 or 1945 the Japanese DD fleet should be cut down to size by now and you should be seeing a motely collection of escorts, featuring the hated subchaser.

DavyJonesFootlocker · 03-25-08, 08:03 AM

Actually it's between Dec. 1941 and August 1942. Still little or no DDs. What did Ducimus do this time me wonder?:hmm:

Rockin Robbins · 03-25-08, 08:29 AM

What the title says

Doesn't seem normal to me either.

DavyJonesFootlocker · 03-25-08, 08:44 AM

I'll chalk it up as another Twilight Zone episode.

Ducimus · 03-25-08, 11:19 AM

Ships exploding is my fault. I never ran into it, but i knew it was possible. Its due to the wave settings.

Traffic, is ALL RSRD.

Rockin Robbins · 03-25-08, 11:27 AM

It isn't nice to argue with RSRD!

:rotfl:

DavyJonesFootlocker · 03-25-08, 12:04 PM

Good that at least clears up the exploding DDs. I also found out the deck gun have some uses after all. They can actually destroy a Small Old Tanker. I ran out of torps in the middle of the Banda Sea and decided what the hell. The ship took some good hits and blew up real nice and bright. Now, all I have to do is find that worm hole those ships are disappearing into.

Ducimus · 03-25-08, 03:44 PM

exploding DD's is easy to fix. Just go into the sim.cfg and change the wave attunation back to 0.2 (its 0.4 in that version of TM).

Then change the wave factor settings in the visual block, back to 4 (it 2.5 or so in that version of TM).

That fixes that.

DavyJonesFootlocker · 03-25-08, 04:00 PM

I have LBO installed also. Won't that affect that Mod? I wouldn't want to screw with the wave attenuation or else I may get back that surfing sub again. Would that happen? I also have diverate mod installed now. Any conflicts you would know of if I change the settings. I only saw the exploding DDs in one patrol in the Java Sea. The weather was rough and the water shallow. Could they have hit the bottom and blew up? I also noticed the escorted Heavy cruisers catching on fire.

Needless to say with the DDs gone I made minced meat out of the cruiser. Boy talk about a cheat I didn't activate.:rotfl:

Ducimus · 03-25-08, 04:48 PM

>>I have LBO installed also. Won't that affect that Mod?

Oh hell yes. I included the scene.dat i did in that version of TM for a reason. The wave settings were such that the chance of exploding ships is MUCH lower. I tested it with other scene.dats and the results were bad. Other scene.dat files make the wave hieights 512 instead of 256, and a few other minor items. Results are with the wave attuenment value i used in the sim.cfg.... KABOOM.

As a test, go to the sub school navagation mission (make the wind 15 kts first), and watch how fast elcos explode with one scene.dat vs the other. They WILL explode, but ill bet you much quicker with LBO installed. That said, elco's are a rather unique uinit, with how quick it explodes (MUCH QUICKER then other units), but its a good bench mark to gague the wave adustments.

I did test this throughly, in various test missions. Like i said, i included the file i did for a reason. If you want to use LBO, reverse the changes in the sim.cfg that i described.

FIREWALL · 03-25-08, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DavyJonesFootlocker

Ok I know I'm a bit behind in things but I finally managed to get TMO (not for the add-on) and noticed that in 7 war patrols I didn't see any DDs around. In fact I only ran into small naval TFs with Heavy Cruisers and the only time I saw any DDs they were dumb as office furniture. They exploded out of nowhere. I'm using TMO, RSRDC for TMO, NSM4. What gives here?

Hi DJF

I posted on another thread but maybe Ducimus will see it here.

I'd like the TMO & RSRD that you have as I don't plan on getting the ADDON.

DavyJonesFootlocker · 03-26-08, 07:42 AM

Ok Duci. I plan to keep LBO so I'll don me lab coat and do some reverse engineering.

re: FIREWALL- I don't have the add-on either and with no connection in the jungle I can't download it anyway. So I'll stick with 1.4 for the while.

Ducimus · 03-26-08, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DavyJonesFootlocker

Ok Duci. I plan to keep LBO so I'll don me lab coat and do some reverse engineering.

Just those two items in the /data/sim.cfg file. Nothing terrinbly fancy or overcomplicated.

03-25-08, 07:18 AM	#1
DavyJonesFootlocker The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stink Drunk in Trinidad Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	DD Disappearance Ok I know I'm a bit behind in things but I finally managed to get TMO (not for the add-on) and noticed that in 7 war patrols I didn't see any DDs around. In fact I only ran into small naval TFs with Heavy Cruisers and the only time I saw any DDs they were dumb as office furniture. They exploded out of nowhere. I'm using TMO, RSRDC for TMO, NSM4. What gives here? __________________ "Silence means death. Stand on your feet. Inner fear your worst enemy."- Sepultura. My Silent Hunter 5 mantra is this......"Torpedo missed, sir!" A P-400 is a P-40 with a Zero after it. A proud member of the Wikipedia Haters Club

03-25-08, 07:27 AM	#2
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Very strange Well, I'm behind you, having started my U-Boat career before TMO came out. I haven't gone back to port yet so can't install TMO. I don't know if it would be a good idea to install TMO while I'm running a U-Boat campaign anyway, and I hate the idea of installing and uninstalling mods depending on what kind of career I'm running at the time. What if I want to alternate days? I can see a dual SH4UBM installation coming on: one for U-Boat, one for Fleet Boat. I'm still at sea in Kraken in my last patch 1.4 cruise. I won't be phasing out 1.4 until I return to base on that one. Then I guess it's surgery time. But to answer your question, if it's 1944 or 1945 the Japanese DD fleet should be cut down to size by now and you should be seeing a motely collection of escorts, featuring the hated subchaser. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

03-25-08, 08:03 AM	#3
DavyJonesFootlocker The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stink Drunk in Trinidad Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	Actually it's between Dec. 1941 and August 1942. Still little or no DDs. What did Ducimus do this time me wonder?:hmm: __________________ "Silence means death. Stand on your feet. Inner fear your worst enemy."- Sepultura. My Silent Hunter 5 mantra is this......"Torpedo missed, sir!" A P-400 is a P-40 with a Zero after it. A proud member of the Wikipedia Haters Club

03-25-08, 08:29 AM	#4
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	That's really strange What the title says Doesn't seem normal to me either. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

03-25-08, 08:44 AM	#5
DavyJonesFootlocker The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stink Drunk in Trinidad Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	I'll chalk it up as another Twilight Zone episode. __________________ "Silence means death. Stand on your feet. Inner fear your worst enemy."- Sepultura. My Silent Hunter 5 mantra is this......"Torpedo missed, sir!" A P-400 is a P-40 with a Zero after it. A proud member of the Wikipedia Haters Club

03-25-08, 11:19 AM	#6
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Ships exploding is my fault. I never ran into it, but i knew it was possible. Its due to the wave settings. Traffic, is ALL RSRD.

03-25-08, 11:27 AM	#7
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	That's the end of the thread then. It isn't nice to argue with RSRD! :rotfl: __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

03-25-08, 12:04 PM	#8
DavyJonesFootlocker The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stink Drunk in Trinidad Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	Good that at least clears up the exploding DDs. I also found out the deck gun have some uses after all. They can actually destroy a Small Old Tanker. I ran out of torps in the middle of the Banda Sea and decided what the hell. The ship took some good hits and blew up real nice and bright. Now, all I have to do is find that worm hole those ships are disappearing into. __________________ "Silence means death. Stand on your feet. Inner fear your worst enemy."- Sepultura. My Silent Hunter 5 mantra is this......"Torpedo missed, sir!" A P-400 is a P-40 with a Zero after it. A proud member of the Wikipedia Haters Club

03-25-08, 03:44 PM	#9
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	exploding DD's is easy to fix. Just go into the sim.cfg and change the wave attunation back to 0.2 (its 0.4 in that version of TM). Then change the wave factor settings in the visual block, back to 4 (it 2.5 or so in that version of TM). That fixes that.

03-25-08, 04:00 PM	#10
DavyJonesFootlocker The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stink Drunk in Trinidad Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	I have LBO installed also. Won't that affect that Mod? I wouldn't want to screw with the wave attenuation or else I may get back that surfing sub again. Would that happen? I also have diverate mod installed now. Any conflicts you would know of if I change the settings. I only saw the exploding DDs in one patrol in the Java Sea. The weather was rough and the water shallow. Could they have hit the bottom and blew up? I also noticed the escorted Heavy cruisers catching on fire. Needless to say with the DDs gone I made minced meat out of the cruiser. Boy talk about a cheat I didn't activate.:rotfl: __________________ "Silence means death. Stand on your feet. Inner fear your worst enemy."- Sepultura. My Silent Hunter 5 mantra is this......"Torpedo missed, sir!" A P-400 is a P-40 with a Zero after it. A proud member of the Wikipedia Haters Club

03-25-08, 04:48 PM	#11
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	>>I have LBO installed also. Won't that affect that Mod? Oh hell yes. I included the scene.dat i did in that version of TM for a reason. The wave settings were such that the chance of exploding ships is MUCH lower. I tested it with other scene.dats and the results were bad. Other scene.dat files make the wave hieights 512 instead of 256, and a few other minor items. Results are with the wave attuenment value i used in the sim.cfg.... KABOOM. As a test, go to the sub school navagation mission (make the wind 15 kts first), and watch how fast elcos explode with one scene.dat vs the other. They WILL explode, but ill bet you much quicker with LBO installed. That said, elco's are a rather unique uinit, with how quick it explodes (MUCH QUICKER then other units), but its a good bench mark to gague the wave adustments. I did test this throughly, in various test missions. Like i said, i included the file i did for a reason. If you want to use LBO, reverse the changes in the sim.cfg that i described.

03-26-08, 07:42 AM	#13
DavyJonesFootlocker The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stink Drunk in Trinidad Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	Ok Duci. I plan to keep LBO so I'll don me lab coat and do some reverse engineering. re: FIREWALL- I don't have the add-on either and with no connection in the jungle I can't download it anyway. So I'll stick with 1.4 for the while. __________________ "Silence means death. Stand on your feet. Inner fear your worst enemy."- Sepultura. My Silent Hunter 5 mantra is this......"Torpedo missed, sir!" A P-400 is a P-40 with a Zero after it. A proud member of the Wikipedia Haters Club