JEEEESE , MAN, and i thoot we had History lessons when we went to school

HundertzehnGustav · 11-12-07, 10:15 AM

Lancasters with inverted American Stars on aluuminum skin hunting ships in the Pac.

Ouch, it hurts.... You mean i actually PAID for this?

question: is it possible to take the SH III planes (plus weapons and stuff) and stove them into SH IV straight away,or are both Sims incompatible in that respect?
I have fond memories of Wildcats to replace the Buffaloes, and Avengers to get rid of our Torpedo Bomber. Someone have a Spare SBD or two?

What about the SH III Ships like the Ammunition Freighter?

The Jap Flying Boats are cute, as are the general Modelling and the Men aboard the Cargoes, DDs and BBs.

Good to be back in the saddle, now i just have to learn about US boats, wich seem all the same, and dont even have the same amount of AAA as mx good old IXC....

:rotfl:

hi gang wasssup!

mgbmike · 11-12-07, 08:22 PM

A search turned this up:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=109881

The filefront link in the first post is still OK

panthercules · 11-12-07, 08:31 PM

Welcome to this side of the world

The Lancaster is definitely a bit weird - but then again, so was seeing a bunch of British battleships at Pearl Harbor in Pacific Fighters

You'd think people spending all that time and money doing a game about a specific historical subject would catch something like that - why even bother to put the thing in the game, since the uninformed would never miss it and the informed are just put off by it? However, I guess I stopped being amazed/disappointed by dumb stuff like this way back in the Nintendo days when they put out the "1943: The Battle of Midway" game - I mean, c'mon

mrbeast · 11-13-07, 07:48 AM

The reason for the inaccurate aircraft in SH4 is that Ubisoft has been advised by several US aircraft manufacturers that if it wishes to include models of aircraft which the company produced historically (also inclusive of designs by companies that the modern company now owns) then Ubisoft had to pay them royalties to do so. Therefore Ubisoft decided to remove all offending planes and replace them with more acceptable generic models from companies that didn't mind them being used or were defunct. Hence you get Avro Lancasters and Brewster buffalos and I think the torp/dive is modelled on the Vindicator, may wrong about that though.

The Devs knew full well what aircraft they should use, it you notice in the intro movie there is a PBY Catalina.

Balu0 · 11-13-07, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mrbeast

The reason for the inaccurate aircraft in SH4 is that Ubisoft has been advised by several US aircraft manufacturers that if it wishes to include models of aircraft which the company produced historically (also inclusive of designs by companies that the modern company now owns) then Ubisoft had to pay them royalties to do so. Therefore Ubisoft decided to remove all offending planes and replace them with more acceptable generic models from companies that didn't mind them being used or were defunct. Hence you get Avro Lancasters and Brewster buffalos and I think the torp/dive is modelled on the Vindicator, may wrong about that though.

The Devs knew full well what aircraft they should use, it you notice in the intro movie there is a PBY Catalina.

Where did you heared this? It sounds like bull.. sorry , but I don't belive this could be true. Those aircrafts are not manufactured any more.

What you wrote could be true in a moder racing game wich use existing sport car modells, but not with WWII games and military aircrafts.

Or do you honestly think that the 1.000.000 + 1 WWII games nowdays all pay to all manufacturers ??

11-13-07, 12:21 PM

Its sadly true. That's why many fighters were unflyable in pacific fighters. They can afford licensing for a top title, but Silent Hunter isn't really a giant moneymaker for them, so they couldn't afford to pay the licensing fees and still hire a dev team.
As long as a company still holds the patents, the aircraft and all digital representations are that companies. Stupid but true.

Ducimus · 11-13-07, 04:14 PM

It IS true. Northrup grumman, and i think lockheed-martin as well, have established copyrights on their aircraft. Kinda sucks that you can put a copyright on history.

nattydread · 11-13-07, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Balu0

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Originally Posted by mrbeast

The reason for the inaccurate aircraft in SH4 is that Ubisoft has been advised by several US aircraft manufacturers that if it wishes to include models of aircraft which the company produced historically (also inclusive of designs by companies that the modern company now owns) then Ubisoft had to pay them royalties to do so. Therefore Ubisoft decided to remove all offending planes and replace them with more acceptable generic models from companies that didn't mind them being used or were defunct. Hence you get Avro Lancasters and Brewster buffalos and I think the torp/dive is modelled on the Vindicator, may wrong about that though.

The Devs knew full well what aircraft they should use, it you notice in the intro movie there is a PBY Catalina.

Where did you heared this? It sounds like bull.. sorry , but I don't belive this could be true. Those aircrafts are not manufactured any more.

What you wrote could be true in a moder racing game wich use existing sport car modells, but not with WWII games and military aircrafts.

Or do you honestly think that the 1.000.000 + 1 WWII games nowdays all pay to all manufacturers ??

Oh believe it. I cant say its the case for SHIV, im not privy to that info, but do believe companys would place such restrictions on devs.

For instance, i believe "BumbleBee" wasnt a volskwagen bettle in the Transformers Movie, because Volkswagen didnt want their car used as a fighting machine. Flight sims tend to not show the crashes because the aircraft manufactures dont want their planes to be associated with crashes, etc, etc.

Everybody wants their cut and/or wants to protect themselves from some preceieved negative image...their laywers are doing a good job of finding stuff to do in order to justifying their presence and high retainers.

SimHq Tom Cofield · 11-22-07, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Balu0

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrbeast

The reason for the inaccurate aircraft in SH4 is that Ubisoft has been advised by several US aircraft manufacturers that if it wishes to include models of aircraft which the company produced historically (also inclusive of designs by companies that the modern company now owns) then Ubisoft had to pay them royalties to do so. Therefore Ubisoft decided to remove all offending planes and replace them with more acceptable generic models from companies that didn't mind them being used or were defunct. Hence you get Avro Lancasters and Brewster buffalos and I think the torp/dive is modelled on the Vindicator, may wrong about that though.

The Devs knew full well what aircraft they should use, it you notice in the intro movie there is a PBY Catalina.

Where did you heared this? It sounds like bull.. sorry , but I don't belive this could be true. Those aircrafts are not manufactured any more.

What you wrote could be true in a moder racing game wich use existing sport car modells, but not with WWII games and military aircrafts.

Or do you honestly think that the 1.000.000 + 1 WWII games nowdays all pay to all manufacturers ??

It is very true. Nothrop/Grumman threatened lawsuits against UBI if they continued to put aircraft like the F6F in their game. That is why the Avenger was never made playable in Pacific Fighters. It has been rumored that there is a full blown cockpit for the Avenger made but it will never bee seen because of this.

Seafireliv · 11-22-07, 12:31 PM

I guess this must be why when I look in my book of WWII subs and try to find them in the game, I can`t.

bigboywooly · 11-14-07, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbeast

The Devs knew full well what aircraft they should use, it you notice in the intro movie there is a PBY Catalina.

As the Catalina was used in SH3 I see no reason they couldnt use it in SH4
Same goes for the B24 and Avenger

JU_88 · 11-14-07, 02:39 PM

yeah but they look crappy compared to Sh4s planes.

bigboywooly · 11-14-07, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JU_88

yeah but they look crappy compared to Sh4s planes.

What I meant JU was if they had them in SH3 they could have added them into SH4
Instead of the Lanc

Sure they would have been bought up to the same spec as the SH4 air units

11-12-07, 10:15 AM	#1
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	JEEEESE , MAN, and i thoot we had History lessons when we went to school Lancasters with inverted American Stars on aluuminum skin hunting ships in the Pac. Ouch, it hurts.... You mean i actually PAID for this? question: is it possible to take the SH III planes (plus weapons and stuff) and stove them into SH IV straight away,or are both Sims incompatible in that respect? I have fond memories of Wildcats to replace the Buffaloes, and Avengers to get rid of our Torpedo Bomber. Someone have a Spare SBD or two? What about the SH III Ships like the Ammunition Freighter? The Jap Flying Boats are cute, as are the general Modelling and the Men aboard the Cargoes, DDs and BBs. Good to be back in the saddle, now i just have to learn about US boats, wich seem all the same, and dont even have the same amount of AAA as mx good old IXC.... :rotfl: hi gang wasssup! __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

11-12-07, 08:22 PM	#2
mgbmike Bosun Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Central Connecticut Posts: 66 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	A search turned this up: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=109881 The filefront link in the first post is still OK __________________ Dual core 2.8 Ghz HP Media Center running XP pro 2 Gb mem ATI X1650 w/512 Mb mem Realtek High Definition Audio

11-12-07, 08:31 PM	#3
panthercules The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,336 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Welcome to this side of the world The Lancaster is definitely a bit weird - but then again, so was seeing a bunch of British battleships at Pearl Harbor in Pacific Fighters You'd think people spending all that time and money doing a game about a specific historical subject would catch something like that - why even bother to put the thing in the game, since the uninformed would never miss it and the informed are just put off by it? However, I guess I stopped being amazed/disappointed by dumb stuff like this way back in the Nintendo days when they put out the "1943: The Battle of Midway" game - I mean, c'mon __________________

11-13-07, 07:48 AM	#4
mrbeast Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bolton, UK Posts: 1,236 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The reason for the inaccurate aircraft in SH4 is that Ubisoft has been advised by several US aircraft manufacturers that if it wishes to include models of aircraft which the company produced historically (also inclusive of designs by companies that the modern company now owns) then Ubisoft had to pay them royalties to do so. Therefore Ubisoft decided to remove all offending planes and replace them with more acceptable generic models from companies that didn't mind them being used or were defunct. Hence you get Avro Lancasters and Brewster buffalos and I think the torp/dive is modelled on the Vindicator, may wrong about that though. The Devs knew full well what aircraft they should use, it you notice in the intro movie there is a PBY Catalina. __________________

11-13-07, 12:21 PM	#6
Mechman Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Its sadly true. That's why many fighters were unflyable in pacific fighters. They can afford licensing for a top title, but Silent Hunter isn't really a giant moneymaker for them, so they couldn't afford to pay the licensing fees and still hire a dev team. As long as a company still holds the patents, the aircraft and all digital representations are that companies. Stupid but true.

11-13-07, 04:14 PM	#7
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	It IS true. Northrup grumman, and i think lockheed-martin as well, have established copyrights on their aircraft. Kinda sucks that you can put a copyright on history.

11-22-07, 12:31 PM	#10
Seafireliv Gunner Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 93 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	I guess this must be why when I look in my book of WWII subs and try to find them in the game, I can`t.

11-14-07, 02:39 PM	#12
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,803 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	yeah but they look crappy compared to Sh4s planes.