Hurricanes TOO good and TOO early!!

johnm · 05-31-07, 02:23 PM

Using GWX and 1.03 with minor mods

I've just started yet another career in sept 1939 (don't blame me, I keep getting killed!).

When sailing around north Scotland, Orkneys and Western Isles I keep getting jumped by MK IIC Hurricanes. Apart from the fact that Mk IIC didn't exist before 1941 (Mk IIC were the first ones with 2 20mm cannons

)
They also appear to have a range of over 5k!!

The Hurricanes in 1939 were Mk I's with 8 .303 browning machine guns usually set to converge at 200-800 yards.

These beasts are knocking seven bells out of my pressure hull at dfistances over 2 kilometres (roughly 2000 yards!). To add insult to injury they also appear at night! Too many carrots?

I mean - fair dos - I don't mind being depthcharged by destroyers, shelled by cruisers or even annoyed by mine sweepers but futuristic aircraft with massive firepower (I think they use cruise missiles!) ??? It's not on!!!

Brag · 05-31-07, 02:41 PM

Good practice for crash diving. They'll get worse later on :rotfl: :rotfl:

KeybdFlyer · 05-31-07, 02:56 PM

A man after my own heart, johnm! Do you also find yourself picking (large) holes in 90% of TV documentaries with their inaccurate narration and/or stock footage? I recently watched one on the Military Channel where the "Aviation History Expert" was examining camera-gun footage from German records as they shot-up American B-17s, except that the aircraft we were watching were B-24s! Yet he repeatedly referred to B-17s and the WWII B-17 gunner who was sitting with him did exactly the same thing. As for the Hurricanes? Ok - so the game isn't 100% accurate and I appreciate your point(s). The real point though is to do as advised (lol) - see an aircraft? DIVE!

bigboywooly · 05-31-07, 05:09 PM

Are you sure it was the IIC ?
The mk I uses 20 mm too as there are no .303 in game

johnm · 05-31-07, 05:36 PM

Yes, definately IIC's

The original hurricane mk I was built with four machine guns only but was upgraded with eight Browning .303 machineguns after tests. The 20mm cannon was first fitted to the IIC, the IID had two 40mm cannons.

The .303 ammunition was basically rifle ammunition

ReallyDedPoet · 05-31-07, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by johnm

These beasts are knocking seven bells out of my pressure hull at dfistances over 2 kilometres (roughly 2000 yards!). To add insult to injury they also appear at night! Too many carrots?

Above us hell

RDP

bigboywooly · 05-31-07, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by johnm

Yes, definately IIC's

The original hurricane mk I was built with four machine guns only but was upgraded with eight Browning .303 machineguns after tests. The 20mm cannon was first fitted to the IIC, the IID had two 40mm cannons.

The .303 ammunition was basically rifle ammunition

Hmmm odd as my airbases show the mk I Hurricane not the mkIIC
As I said earlier there is no 303 in game so the MkI will have 20mm guns as its the smallest there are to use

Schöneboom · 05-31-07, 06:23 PM

Looks like the dev team had to choose just one mark of Hurricane to last the whole war, hence the later cannon armament. I suppose if one were really clever, there might be a way to substitute machine guns from one of the other planes -- but they've have to be fixed guns, not the movable kind (assuming the code indicates that difference).

In any case... Alaaaarm!!!

Paajtor · 05-31-07, 06:41 PM

Can the rate of fire be decreased, for the 20mm? To make up for the lack of .3.03's in early-war.

Kpt. Lehmann · 05-31-07, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Paajtor

Can the rate of fire be decreased, for the 20mm? To make up for the lack of .3.03's in early-war.

No, because it would cause a cascade problem effect of weapon damage vs damage model in many other places... such as ship vs sub.

bigboywooly · 05-31-07, 11:43 PM

IIRC Serg was working on .303 guns for his airpower mod part 2
Until then they dont exist so cant be used
PITA but meh

Vacillator · 06-01-07, 10:34 AM

Yeah I've seen a lot of IIcs as well but so far have not been damaged by one as I hit C immediately and avoid them.

So I guess if these minor irritations can't be changed, we (try to) live with them.

Jimbuna · 06-01-07, 10:42 AM

That reminds me!....need to check the number of rivets, or was it bolts today? :hmm:

bigboywooly · 06-01-07, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vacillator

Yeah I've seen a lot of IIcs as well but so far have not been damaged by one as I hit C immediately and avoid them.

So I guess if these minor irritations can't be changed, we (try to) live with them.

The IIC showing before 41 is easy fixed and in my files none show that early
Will recheck for 1.04

johnm · 06-01-07, 02:20 PM

Tried another patrol - starting 21/12/1939

jumped by two hurricanes in AN14 on 24th December 14:36 - early christmas present. Definately IIC. I crash dived.

Incidentally I mostly crashdive on sighting planes. Sometimes I fight them but only if I've survived long enough to get double or quad barrelled flak guns!

05-31-07, 02:23 PM	#1
johnm Navy Dude Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North of England Posts: 173 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 0	Hurricanes TOO good and TOO early!! Using GWX and 1.03 with minor mods I've just started yet another career in sept 1939 (don't blame me, I keep getting killed!). When sailing around north Scotland, Orkneys and Western Isles I keep getting jumped by MK IIC Hurricanes. Apart from the fact that Mk IIC didn't exist before 1941 (Mk IIC were the first ones with 2 20mm cannons) They also appear to have a range of over 5k!! The Hurricanes in 1939 were Mk I's with 8 .303 browning machine guns usually set to converge at 200-800 yards. These beasts are knocking seven bells out of my pressure hull at dfistances over 2 kilometres (roughly 2000 yards!). To add insult to injury they also appear at night! Too many carrots? I mean - fair dos - I don't mind being depthcharged by destroyers, shelled by cruisers or even annoyed by mine sweepers but futuristic aircraft with massive firepower (I think they use cruise missiles!) ??? It's not on!!!

05-31-07, 02:41 PM	#2
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Good practice for crash diving. They'll get worse later on :rotfl: :rotfl: __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

05-31-07, 05:09 PM	#4
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Are you sure it was the IIC ? The mk I uses 20 mm too as there are no .303 in game __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

05-31-07, 06:23 PM	#8
Schöneboom Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 651 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Looks like the dev team had to choose just one mark of Hurricane to last the whole war, hence the later cannon armament. I suppose if one were really clever, there might be a way to substitute machine guns from one of the other planes -- but they've have to be fixed guns, not the movable kind (assuming the code indicates that difference). In any case... Alaaaarm!!! __________________ Dietrich Schöneboom, U-431 "Es wird klappen, Herr Kaleun. Ganz sicher."

05-31-07, 06:41 PM	#9
Paajtor The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Dutch mountains Posts: 1,551 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 1	Can the rate of fire be decreased, for the 20mm? To make up for the lack of .3.03's in early-war. __________________

05-31-07, 02:56 PM	#3
KeybdFlyer 中国水兵 Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 272 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	A man after my own heart, johnm! Do you also find yourself picking (large) holes in 90% of TV documentaries with their inaccurate narration and/or stock footage? I recently watched one on the Military Channel where the "Aviation History Expert" was examining camera-gun footage from German records as they shot-up American B-17s, except that the aircraft we were watching were B-24s! Yet he repeatedly referred to B-17s and the WWII B-17 gunner who was sitting with him did exactly the same thing. As for the Hurricanes? Ok - so the game isn't 100% accurate and I appreciate your point(s). The real point though is to do as advised (lol) - see an aircraft? DIVE!

05-31-07, 05:36 PM	#5
johnm Navy Dude Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North of England Posts: 173 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 0	Yes, definately IIC's The original hurricane mk I was built with four machine guns only but was upgraded with eight Browning .303 machineguns after tests. The 20mm cannon was first fitted to the IIC, the IID had two 40mm cannons. The .303 ammunition was basically rifle ammunition

05-31-07, 11:43 PM	#11
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	IIRC Serg was working on .303 guns for his airpower mod part 2 Until then they dont exist so cant be used PITA but meh __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

06-01-07, 10:34 AM	#12
Vacillator Frogman Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 307 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yeah I've seen a lot of IIcs as well but so far have not been damaged by one as I hit C immediately and avoid them. So I guess if these minor irritations can't be changed, we (try to) live with them.

06-01-07, 10:42 AM	#13
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,478 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	That reminds me!....need to check the number of rivets, or was it bolts today? :hmm: __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

06-01-07, 02:20 PM	#15
johnm Navy Dude Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North of England Posts: 173 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 0	Tried another patrol - starting 21/12/1939 jumped by two hurricanes in AN14 on 24th December 14:36 - early christmas present. Definately IIC. I crash dived. Incidentally I mostly crashdive on sighting planes. Sometimes I fight them but only if I've survived long enough to get double or quad barrelled flak guns!