How many SH3 modders will we lose after SH4 is released?

03-06-07, 10:52 PM

This is kind of a dumb question, but I was wondering how many SH3 modders we might lose after SH4 is released? I say this because I have noticed quite a few modders are saying things like 'final version', 'no more SH3 modding for me', etc. I will probably retire from SH3 modding and move on to modding SH4 after it's released. I think that SH3 modding is starting to hit a brick wall due to so much of the game still being hard-coded. The modders have done just about all they could under these circumstances. I feel that we are finally reaching the limits of SH3 modding. The only way I will continue to mod SH3 after SH4 is released is if the SH3 SDK is released. That is the only way I'll come back to SH3. And to be honest, I am just burned out with modding SH3. So many important things are still hard-coded.

I am just tired of it all. And I'm pretty sure that once SH4 is released, there won't be too many more new SH3 mods released... unless SH4 is a major flop due to being unfinished, major bugs, etc. How does everyone else feel about this topic?

Venatore · 03-06-07, 11:01 PM

I will remain steadfast my friend, because I truely believe that as a modder I will be able to extract things from SH4 and mod them into SH3. I have and always will prefer the "GERMAN" U-Boat 1939-1945 over any sub game.

Like I said I'm not going anywhere unless I stuff up and get banned to the Brig

From a simple modder trying to make the game enjoyable to all members.

Venatore

PS: Good thread question - I'm watching this one closely

03-06-07, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Venatore

I will remain steadfast my friend, because I truely believe that as a modder I will be able to extract things from SH4 and mod them into SH3. I have and always will prefer the "GERMAN" U-Boat 1939-1945 over any sub game.

Like I said I'm not going anywhere unless I stuff up and get banned to the Brig

From a simple modder trying to make the game enjoyable to all members.

Venatore

PS: Good thread question - I'm watching this one closely

I agree with you. I still love the German U-boat battles, and I never said that I would stop playing SH3. I am talking about modding SH3. But unless the developers release the SDK, I'm not sure how much more modding life SH3 really has. Just being honest. Same thing happened with Red Baron 3D. It reached it's modding limits and the modding community for that game eventually dried up.

Ducimus · 03-06-07, 11:08 PM

I don't think you'll lose many modders honestly. If your pardon the expression, i get the distinct impression most of the long time modders here have pretty much blown their wad and probably don't have much of a desire to do it all over again.

03-06-07, 11:16 PM

I throw in with Venatore.
I still got to finish the K-ship addition anyway!! :p
I also see the release of SH IV as a point where some walls
may come down with or without a SDK.

Rubini · 03-06-07, 11:32 PM

I have a lot of old time games on my PC: Panzer Elite, Fleet Command, Total Air War, EAW, Close Combat V, CFS2, Op. Flashpoint, etc...

Some of them are still alive and have a great mod community.
I guess that in the opposite side of SH2, SH3 will live for some years ahead yet, unless a better uboat simulation appears. And also our mods and some few new mods will live for long time yet. The adult simulation games are in truth a hobby not only games.

However, you are right nvdrifter, the SH3 mod community and also the players will drop year after year. But will not die easily.

Rubini.

Mush Martin · 03-06-07, 11:06 PM

I am likely to stay and maintain a presence in sh3
simultaneous to sh4

that will likely remain true until the next great atlantic
campaign.

MM

Samwolf · 03-06-07, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Venatore

I have and always will prefer the "GERMAN" U-Boat 1939-1945 over any sub game.

Not a modder myself, other than tweaking /combining others mods for my own usw but I agree with Ventore, German U-boats are the only way to go. The US Silent Service is only something I play for a short change of pace once in a while, I still have the original SSI version of Silent Hunter on my drive and always come back to AOD and Now SH3. You modders have turned this into the game it should have been. Thanks

03-06-07, 11:19 PM

Ok, let's look at it another way. I still believe we are reaching the limits of modding SH3 without having the SDK. There have already been some excellent mods released. I am talking about new or exciting breakthroughs. I am sure we will have a few more surpises in store for us, but I think for the most part SH3 modding will be more fine-tuning from now on, and a lot of problems will never be fixed (such as the AI). I also think that a lot of SH3 modders are just burned out and ready to move on to other things, or just stop modding altogether for a while.

If only we could get the SDK... can you imagine what we could do with SH3? :hmm:

Venatore · 03-06-07, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nvdrifter

If only we could get the SDK... can you imagine what we could do with SH3? :hmm:

I've played the Splinter Cell series a fair bit, I willing to sneak into the SH3 SDK High Security Volt, grab it and bring it back here, :hmm:

Ducimus · 03-06-07, 11:39 PM

In my lame opinion, theres only a few things left that couple possible improve this game.

- Get the stupid fuel guage to work in the type 9 interior

- Make compressed air a more important. So how you liking expelling all those torpedos without compressed air anyway?

- Fix the Fing crash dive tilt.

- complete the interior modeling or at least get the radio room hatch open

- get in alt modes of play like photo or mine laying missions instead of the constant grid assigments; which shall we say is older then dirt.

Most of that though, you'll need an SDK for.

03-06-07, 11:31 PM

There are ways to insert or redirect routines without changeing or
attacking hard code.

Mush Martin · 03-06-07, 11:34 PM

Yeah my association with Privateer here makes me think
we have still got lots of surprises to come.

JScones · 03-08-07, 04:44 AM

I still have some ideas that I am pursuing for SH3...just ask Ref and BBW... :rotfl:

Mainly (pedantic) visual corrections and enhancements, so nothing overly game changing or revolutionary, but still improvements nonetheless.

I suspect that whilst I'll *play* SH4, I'll still have a hand at *modding* SH3. But I suppose this depends on what the remaining interest is in SH3 after SH4 is released. :hmm:

melnibonian · 03-08-07, 06:33 AM

I really hope SH4 does not need the modders. If the game is properly made, without any bugs and with all the historical references in place then modding it will not be necessary (to the level GWX mod changed SH3 at least). That is a good thing because it means that in Ubisoft they take their job seriously and give us a good value for money program. Alas something is telling me that it will not happen

In any case my computer cannot cope with SH4 at the moment and I'm more interested in the Atlantic theater. Therefore it will be GWX all the way for me for quite some time

03-06-07, 10:52 PM	#1
nvdrifter Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	How many SH3 modders will we lose after SH4 is released? This is kind of a dumb question, but I was wondering how many SH3 modders we might lose after SH4 is released? I say this because I have noticed quite a few modders are saying things like 'final version', 'no more SH3 modding for me', etc. I will probably retire from SH3 modding and move on to modding SH4 after it's released. I think that SH3 modding is starting to hit a brick wall due to so much of the game still being hard-coded. The modders have done just about all they could under these circumstances. I feel that we are finally reaching the limits of SH3 modding. The only way I will continue to mod SH3 after SH4 is released is if the SH3 SDK is released. That is the only way I'll come back to SH3. And to be honest, I am just burned out with modding SH3. So many important things are still hard-coded. I am just tired of it all. And I'm pretty sure that once SH4 is released, there won't be too many more new SH3 mods released... unless SH4 is a major flop due to being unfinished, major bugs, etc. How does everyone else feel about this topic?

03-06-07, 11:32 PM	#6
Rubini Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: São Paulo Brazil Posts: 2,728 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	I have a lot of old time games on my PC: Panzer Elite, Fleet Command, Total Air War, EAW, Close Combat V, CFS2, Op. Flashpoint, etc... Some of them are still alive and have a great mod community. I guess that in the opposite side of SH2, SH3 will live for some years ahead yet, unless a better uboat simulation appears. And also our mods and some few new mods will live for long time yet. The adult simulation games are in truth a hobby not only games. However, you are right nvdrifter, the SH3 mod community and also the players will drop year after year. But will not die easily. Rubini. __________________ One gamer's must-have mod is another gamer's waste of time. -Sailor Steve

03-06-07, 11:06 PM	#7
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I am likely to stay and maintain a presence in sh3 simultaneous to sh4 that will likely remain true until the next great atlantic campaign. MM __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

03-06-07, 11:34 PM	#13
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Yeah my association with Privateer here makes me think we have still got lots of surprises to come. __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

03-08-07, 06:33 AM	#15
melnibonian Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reading UK Posts: 3,473 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I really hope SH4 does not need the modders. If the game is properly made, without any bugs and with all the historical references in place then modding it will not be necessary (to the level GWX mod changed SH3 at least). That is a good thing because it means that in Ubisoft they take their job seriously and give us a good value for money program. Alas something is telling me that it will not happen In any case my computer cannot cope with SH4 at the moment and I'm more interested in the Atlantic theater. Therefore it will be GWX all the way for me for quite some time __________________ http://www.thegreywolves.com/ http://wolvesatwar.com/ Download GWX and other goodies: http://hosted.filefront.com/melnibonian

03-06-07, 11:01 PM	#2
Venatore Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Australia:- Sydney Posts: 2,049 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 0	I will remain steadfast my friend, because I truely believe that as a modder I will be able to extract things from SH4 and mod them into SH3. I have and always will prefer the "GERMAN" U-Boat 1939-1945 over any sub game. Like I said I'm not going anywhere unless I stuff up and get banned to the Brig From a simple modder trying to make the game enjoyable to all members. Venatore PS: Good thread question - I'm watching this one closely

03-06-07, 11:08 PM	#4
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I don't think you'll lose many modders honestly. If your pardon the expression, i get the distinct impression most of the long time modders here have pretty much blown their wad and probably don't have much of a desire to do it all over again.

03-06-07, 11:16 PM	#5
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I throw in with Venatore. I still got to finish the K-ship addition anyway!! :p I also see the release of SH IV as a point where some walls may come down with or without a SDK.

03-06-07, 11:19 PM	#9
nvdrifter Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Ok, let's look at it another way. I still believe we are reaching the limits of modding SH3 without having the SDK. There have already been some excellent mods released. I am talking about new or exciting breakthroughs. I am sure we will have a few more surpises in store for us, but I think for the most part SH3 modding will be more fine-tuning from now on, and a lot of problems will never be fixed (such as the AI). I also think that a lot of SH3 modders are just burned out and ready to move on to other things, or just stop modding altogether for a while. If only we could get the SDK... can you imagine what we could do with SH3? :hmm:

03-06-07, 11:39 PM	#11
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	In my lame opinion, theres only a few things left that couple possible improve this game. - Get the stupid fuel guage to work in the type 9 interior - Make compressed air a more important. So how you liking expelling all those torpedos without compressed air anyway? - Fix the Fing crash dive tilt. - complete the interior modeling or at least get the radio room hatch open - get in alt modes of play like photo or mine laying missions instead of the constant grid assigments; which shall we say is older then dirt. Most of that though, you'll need an SDK for.

03-06-07, 11:31 PM	#12
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	There are ways to insert or redirect routines without changeing or attacking hard code.

03-08-07, 04:44 AM	#14
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I still have some ideas that I am pursuing for SH3...just ask Ref and BBW... :rotfl: Mainly (pedantic) visual corrections and enhancements, so nothing overly game changing or revolutionary, but still improvements nonetheless. I suspect that whilst I'll play SH4, I'll still have a hand at modding SH3. But I suppose this depends on what the remaining interest is in SH3 after SH4 is released. :hmm: