am i just unlucky?????

Mooncatt · 01-26-07, 08:07 AM

well 2nd patrol last night.
i wanted to practise my skills using torps so i was attacking tramp steamers the ones that cant fight back

i used all but 5 of my fish sinking numerous tramps.
then with no warning i hit an un reported conyoy with a couple of DD`s escorting.
i managed to sneak close to the convoy bout 2000m i fired 4 fish all of them exploded early

of course then the DD`s came looking for me, i never heard 1 single ping from them at all but they knew where i was even though i d dived to 210m and 2knts silent running they DC me to hell and back but only took slight damage.
i was attacked my dd`s twice but i never heard one ping they still knew where i was so whats the crack with this??

Abd_von_Mumit · 01-26-07, 08:11 AM

Were you at x1 time compression? If not, you couldn't hear the pinging.

Lucky you, still floating!

Mooncatt · 01-26-07, 08:24 AM

yes i was using 1x tc

Abd_von_Mumit · 01-26-07, 08:39 AM

Strange. But I think they could just drop the surprise in the place they thought you were and they didn't feel like checking to make themselves sure, cause they were sure... Maybe they spotted the scope, or you were using steam torpedoes that mark your position by leaving trace on the surface? The only explanation I could think of.

melnibonian · 01-26-07, 08:39 AM

What year are you playing?

If you're early in the war I think you're just unlucky, although if there are loads of DDs in the area it's easier for them to pick you up. Good thing you are still alive though

Mooncatt · 01-26-07, 08:46 AM

yeah im in 1939. i just cant believe that all 4 fish exploded before reaching their target

weather was shocking, i set depth to 6m and impact

melnibonian · 01-26-07, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mooncatt

yeah im in 1939. i just cant believe that all 4 fish exploded before reaching their target

It is a common issue for torpedoes to detonate prematurely if you're using magnetic pistols and the weather is bad. Especially in 1939-1941. That's why I always use impact pistols.

Gezoes · 01-26-07, 08:55 AM

Yes, especially the early electrical eels. Horrible results with those. I always use steamers in 1939/1940. The second electrical torpedo is much better.

codmander · 01-26-07, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mooncatt

yeah im in 1939. i just cant believe that all 4 fish exploded before reaching their target

weather was shocking, i set depth to 6m and impact

try running torps slow n deep rougn weather is worse in nygm torp failin is common

Jimbuna · 01-26-07, 01:58 PM

You clearly state they were set to 'impact'

So I would say you were very unlucky

Mooncatt · 01-26-07, 02:05 PM

well this career im doing i made a save in game and since then wierd things have been happening just to name one.....order flank speed and the needle falls to all stop

4 fish ALL exploded too early one after the other .and not one DD has pinged me after 2 seperate attacks in different parts of the atlantic

Brag · 01-26-07, 03:31 PM

I think the torps exploding prematurely was bad luck. I've had a number of duds, but never all of them.

As for destroyers without pinging, they often do that. Also in a cinvoy attack, the nearest one will come pretty fast to the location from which you fired your torpedoes (unless they've spotted you periscope as you looked for targets).

I calculate that one has 3 minutes from the moment the scope comes up 'til an escort is on top of you. (assuming the nearest DD is 2,000 meters from your attack location.

My standard procedure is: quickly find a target, launch two torps at a fat target. Then launch two torps at two different targets. Flank speed and order new depth of 180 meters, down scope.

After 30 seconds, I order slow ahead. This gives me another 30 seconds of high speed but quiet running and I order rudder 5 degrees. By now approximately 2 minutes have elapsed. An escort doing 15 knots will have covered 800 meters toward my last know position. Chances are it will have a hard time pinpointing my exact position.

Here I reduce speed to 2 knots and I should have a depth of over 60 meters.
When the escort is overhead dropping DCs, I can get away by going flank and rudder amidships while I'm in the escort's baffles. Once I reach 6 knots I order 2 knots.

So far, this has worked for me.

Jimbuna · 01-26-07, 06:14 PM

I used to use similar tactics in GW but find the same tactics a bit 'hitty missy' in GWX :hmm:

Mooncatt · 01-27-07, 04:21 AM

well that sounds good in theory so i will give it a shot tonight.
only problem im having is finding a convoy in the first place lol i see them on the map and kinda try to intercept them but by the time i get there they have long gone due to course change.
i was just plain lucky to run into that convoy i was talking about.

01-26-07, 08:07 AM	#1
Mooncatt Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Keighley UK Posts: 938 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	am i just unlucky????? well 2nd patrol last night. i wanted to practise my skills using torps so i was attacking tramp steamers the ones that cant fight back i used all but 5 of my fish sinking numerous tramps. then with no warning i hit an un reported conyoy with a couple of DD`s escorting. i managed to sneak close to the convoy bout 2000m i fired 4 fish all of them exploded early of course then the DD`s came looking for me, i never heard 1 single ping from them at all but they knew where i was even though i d dived to 210m and 2knts silent running they DC me to hell and back but only took slight damage. i was attacked my dd`s twice but i never heard one ping they still knew where i was so whats the crack with this?? __________________

01-26-07, 08:11 AM	#2
Abd_von_Mumit The Old Man Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Warszawa, Polska Posts: 1,453 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 4	Were you at x1 time compression? If not, you couldn't hear the pinging. Lucky you, still floating! __________________ Long, hard, wet and full of seamen. My precious. SH3+GWX+OLC — sunk x4, retired x2; SH5+TDW — still exploring My SH5 mods: EQuaTool - Elite Quality Map Tools, Patrol Routine Scripts, No Logo Intro Menu_Animation, Less Annoying Stopwatch Links: SH5 mods I use, FileFront, Manual plotting how-to

01-26-07, 08:24 AM	#3
Mooncatt Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Keighley UK Posts: 938 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	yes i was using 1x tc __________________

01-26-07, 08:39 AM	#4
Abd_von_Mumit The Old Man Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Warszawa, Polska Posts: 1,453 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 4	Strange. But I think they could just drop the surprise in the place they thought you were and they didn't feel like checking to make themselves sure, cause they were sure... Maybe they spotted the scope, or you were using steam torpedoes that mark your position by leaving trace on the surface? The only explanation I could think of. __________________ Long, hard, wet and full of seamen. My precious. SH3+GWX+OLC — sunk x4, retired x2; SH5+TDW — still exploring My SH5 mods: EQuaTool - Elite Quality Map Tools, Patrol Routine Scripts, No Logo Intro Menu_Animation, Less Annoying Stopwatch Links: SH5 mods I use, FileFront, Manual plotting how-to

01-26-07, 08:39 AM	#5
melnibonian Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reading UK Posts: 3,473 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	What year are you playing? If you're early in the war I think you're just unlucky, although if there are loads of DDs in the area it's easier for them to pick you up. Good thing you are still alive though __________________ http://www.thegreywolves.com/ http://wolvesatwar.com/ Download GWX and other goodies: http://hosted.filefront.com/melnibonian

01-26-07, 08:46 AM	#6
Mooncatt Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Keighley UK Posts: 938 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	yeah im in 1939. i just cant believe that all 4 fish exploded before reaching their target weather was shocking, i set depth to 6m and impact __________________

01-26-07, 08:55 AM	#8
Gezoes XO Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 435 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Yes, especially the early electrical eels. Horrible results with those. I always use steamers in 1939/1940. The second electrical torpedo is much better. __________________ If I wasn't a little mad, I'd go mad.

01-26-07, 01:58 PM	#10
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	You clearly state they were set to 'impact' So I would say you were very unlucky __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-26-07, 02:05 PM	#11
Mooncatt Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Keighley UK Posts: 938 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	well this career im doing i made a save in game and since then wierd things have been happening just to name one.....order flank speed and the needle falls to all stop 4 fish ALL exploded too early one after the other .and not one DD has pinged me after 2 seperate attacks in different parts of the atlantic __________________

01-26-07, 03:31 PM	#12
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I think the torps exploding prematurely was bad luck. I've had a number of duds, but never all of them. As for destroyers without pinging, they often do that. Also in a cinvoy attack, the nearest one will come pretty fast to the location from which you fired your torpedoes (unless they've spotted you periscope as you looked for targets). I calculate that one has 3 minutes from the moment the scope comes up 'til an escort is on top of you. (assuming the nearest DD is 2,000 meters from your attack location. My standard procedure is: quickly find a target, launch two torps at a fat target. Then launch two torps at two different targets. Flank speed and order new depth of 180 meters, down scope. After 30 seconds, I order slow ahead. This gives me another 30 seconds of high speed but quiet running and I order rudder 5 degrees. By now approximately 2 minutes have elapsed. An escort doing 15 knots will have covered 800 meters toward my last know position. Chances are it will have a hard time pinpointing my exact position. Here I reduce speed to 2 knots and I should have a depth of over 60 meters. When the escort is overhead dropping DCs, I can get away by going flank and rudder amidships while I'm in the escort's baffles. Once I reach 6 knots I order 2 knots. So far, this has worked for me. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

01-26-07, 06:14 PM	#13
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I used to use similar tactics in GW but find the same tactics a bit 'hitty missy' in GWX :hmm: __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-27-07, 04:21 AM	#14
Mooncatt Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Keighley UK Posts: 938 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	well that sounds good in theory so i will give it a shot tonight. only problem im having is finding a convoy in the first place lol i see them on the map and kinda try to intercept them but by the time i get there they have long gone due to course change. i was just plain lucky to run into that convoy i was talking about. __________________