Russian sub in Gulf of Mexico goes undected until it leaves!!

eddie · 08-16-12, 07:43 PM

Someone in the US Navy is going to get nailed for this!!

http://www.naval-technology.com/news...ico-undetected

Molon Labe · 08-16-12, 07:57 PM

In the current geo-political climate, does the USN find it necessary to trail every Russian attack sub out of port? Because that's the only way I see this as being a potential embarrassment at all. And my guess is that we don't feel the need to track them all the time.

So the Russians had a patrol in the Gulf. We patrol in the Barrents all the time.

Gargamel · 08-16-12, 09:53 PM

And if you read the rebuttal story on the front page, you'll see why it seemingly is not a big issue.

From what I gathered, it was an alarmist story from a questionable news source.

eddie · 08-16-12, 09:54 PM

I don't expect them to track every Russian boat all the time, but when it sits on your doorstep for a month undetected, I wouldn't think it would be too much to ask the Defense Dept to do a better job of watching them, especially that close to home.

Hadn't seen the Forbes article until now, sorry for bringing it up.

Catfish · 08-17-12, 02:27 AM

A russian sub in international waters ! Who would have thunk !

Didn't the russian navy even partake in NATO exercises ? Should we fire NATO's high brass ?

Apart from that we all know the US does that and worse since the cold war, from photographing russian subs in their home bases to following experimental russian subs photographing them while sailing rings around them.
Sure, after the Volvo-Toshiba thingie the Russians are now able to build better/stealthier subs, but this article is so blown out of proportion lol

XabbaRus · 08-17-12, 03:12 AM

I think they should just sail into New York harbour, pop the hatch and say "privet" if just for laughs.

08-17-12, 04:37 AM

I can't help but believe this was a behind the scenes agreed test of some kind. From what I remember the American Navy could not detect the Gotland Submarine either.

Skybird · 08-17-12, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidslotm

I can't help but believe this was a behind the scenes agreed test of some kind. From what I remember the American Navy could not detect the Gotland Submarine either.

Gotlands and Akulas or any SSNs do not compare, noise-wise.

Gotlands and the Type-212 family of boats probably are the most silent boats currently in service. Akulas are nuclear, Gotlands base on AIP-Sterling engines, 212s base on synchronous electric motors with fuel cells.

Catfish · 08-17-12, 07:13 AM

I have always wondered ..

The main reason for the noise on a nuclear sub are the cooling pumps ?

From a certain speed on (appropriate water intakes assumed) a nuclear submarine should not need its active water pumps, and the project 971 Bars has two inlets slightly ahead/below of the reactor compartment.

Is there even an IUSS/Sosus in the mexican gulf ? I take it is not so easy anymore, to find and trail a russian sub of the recent generation.

Oberon · 08-17-12, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

I think they should just sail into New York harbour, pop the hatch and say "privet" if just for laughs.

That would just be hilarious.

joea · 08-17-12, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

I think they should just sail into New York harbour, pop the hatch and say "privet" if just for laughs.

Hello!*

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...red-faced.html

Quote:

American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz23oGKDHdM

*Or is that "herro"??

I'll get my coat.

Takeda Shingen · 08-17-12, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Gotlands and the Type-212 family of boats probably are the most silent boats currently in service.

And aren't very good choices for forward blue water deployment. They are relatively silent, but are also slow, limited in range and of shallower diving depth than nukes. As in all things, there are tradeoffs. A Type 212 is not a boat that you would send to patrol the Gulf of Mexico.

Gargamel · 08-17-12, 11:16 AM

Another article on the front page. Pentagon denies it happened.

Karle94 · 08-22-12, 01:53 PM

So you find a Russian sub in the gulf, big deal. I came to Bodø on saturday and saw the destroyer Admiral Chabanonko docked in the harbor. There was Russian sailors everywhere. I last saw the Chabanenko here in Bodø in may docked alongside KNM Fridtjof Nansen.

nikimcbee · 08-22-12, 02:12 PM

On a side note, has Russia ever messed around with our SOSUS lines?

08-16-12, 07:43 PM	#1
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	Russian sub in Gulf of Mexico goes undected until it leaves!! Someone in the US Navy is going to get nailed for this!! http://www.naval-technology.com/news...ico-undetected __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

08-16-12, 07:57 PM	#2
Molon Labe Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Along the Watchtower Posts: 3,810 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 5	In the current geo-political climate, does the USN find it necessary to trail every Russian attack sub out of port? Because that's the only way I see this as being a potential embarrassment at all. And my guess is that we don't feel the need to track them all the time. So the Russians had a patrol in the Gulf. We patrol in the Barrents all the time. __________________

08-16-12, 09:53 PM	#3
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	And if you read the rebuttal story on the front page, you'll see why it seemingly is not a big issue. From what I gathered, it was an alarmist story from a questionable news source. __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

08-16-12, 09:54 PM	#4
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	I don't expect them to track every Russian boat all the time, but when it sits on your doorstep for a month undetected, I wouldn't think it would be too much to ask the Defense Dept to do a better job of watching them, especially that close to home. Hadn't seen the Forbes article until now, sorry for bringing it up. __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

08-17-12, 03:12 AM	#6
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I think they should just sail into New York harbour, pop the hatch and say "privet" if just for laughs. __________________

08-17-12, 02:27 AM	#5
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,766 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	A russian sub in international waters ! Who would have thunk ! Didn't the russian navy even partake in NATO exercises ? Should we fire NATO's high brass ? Apart from that we all know the US does that and worse since the cold war, from photographing russian subs in their home bases to following experimental russian subs photographing them while sailing rings around them. Sure, after the Volvo-Toshiba thingie the Russians are now able to build better/stealthier subs, but this article is so blown out of proportion lol

08-17-12, 04:37 AM	#7
sidslotm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I can't help but believe this was a behind the scenes agreed test of some kind. From what I remember the American Navy could not detect the Gotland Submarine either.

08-17-12, 07:13 AM	#9
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,766 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	I have always wondered .. The main reason for the noise on a nuclear sub are the cooling pumps ? From a certain speed on (appropriate water intakes assumed) a nuclear submarine should not need its active water pumps, and the project 971 Bars has two inlets slightly ahead/below of the reactor compartment. Is there even an IUSS/Sosus in the mexican gulf ? I take it is not so easy anymore, to find and trail a russian sub of the recent generation.

08-17-12, 11:16 AM	#13
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	Another article on the front page. Pentagon denies it happened. __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

08-22-12, 01:53 PM	#14
Karle94 The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Norseland Posts: 1,355 Downloads: 253 Uploads: 0	So you find a Russian sub in the gulf, big deal. I came to Bodø on saturday and saw the destroyer Admiral Chabanonko docked in the harbor. There was Russian sailors everywhere. I last saw the Chabanenko here in Bodø in may docked alongside KNM Fridtjof Nansen. __________________ Find my mods here: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/lzgciodldp58p/SH4_Mods My SH4 blog here: http://karle94.blogspot.com/

08-22-12, 02:12 PM	#15
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	On a side note, has Russia ever messed around with our SOSUS lines? __________________

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