Not sure if it's a bug in GWX2.0

DirtyACE · 02-10-08, 04:42 AM

I restarted my career. Went to Portsmouth to sink Hood again. Got into my usual firing position and let her have it with 3 magnetic torps. All three scored hits and I could tell she began to sink but she didn't. Her keel sat down on the bottom of the dock and that's it. Now I'm not getting a kill and I can't shoot anymore magnetics since there's nothing for them to go underneath, or impacts since I don't have the angle. I've tried this 3 times already and the same result everytime, though for some reason I was able to do it in my previous career, and both were in GWX2.0

I remember this was a problem (bug) a while back with the stock SH3 where ships in harbours would just sit on the bottom but not really sink. Is this the same thing again?

JU_88 · 02-10-08, 05:03 AM

I feel your pain, Im afraid its the same bug as stock, when in shallow waters you somtimes need to destroy the ship outright, SH3 has two mechanisms in place that determine weather a ship is 'sunk' the first is from flooding, when the ship submerges its considered destroyed, but in shallow waters they dont sink properly and thus rely on the second mechanism, which is when the ship loses all of its 'hit points' and explodes.
It will often take 4 or 5 hits to destroy a battleship in this way, unless you strike a magazine or fuel tank.

So in your situation it sounds like you are pretty stuck if you cant get any impact torpedos to detonate.

DirtyACE · 02-10-08, 05:49 AM

In my previous career, what happened is that I was able to detonate a magnetic underneath its fuel tank or ammo bunker (not sure which one) and the ship would be considered destroyed. Unfortunately I haven't been able to get the magnetic into the same area this time around

On the other hand, I did sink an Ocean Liner and a Large Tanker in Dunkirk, and then a Modern Tanker in Calais on the same patrol. The thing with those ships is that they didn't blow up either, they just sank regularly, so that's why I'm so bumbed out about the Hood.

TomcatMVD · 02-10-08, 08:04 AM

I wouldn't call that a "bug"... sounds pretty real to me...
Ok, herr Kaleun, you managed to make her seat on the bottom, but it'll take two cranes, and a couple of good blacksmiths just a couple of weeks to get her up to speed again... however, if you had managed to blow her appart... then that would have done it...
Better luck next time!

Pablo · 02-10-08, 08:39 AM

Hi!

This "bug" actually reflects historical reality; for example

the Japanese sank five battleships at Pearl Harbor: one (USS Arizona) was destroyed in a magazine explosion; USS Oklahoma was refloated, but it was too badly damaged to repair and so it was decommissioned; but the U.S. repaired the other three (California, Maryland, and West Virginia) and sent them back into the war.
The British raised two battleships (HMS Queen Elizabeth and Valiant) from the bottom of Alexandria harbor and sent them to fight in the Pacific
The Italians raised the Conte di Cavour from the bottom of Taranto harbor, though it never returned to action.
The Soviets raised the heavy cruiser Petropavlovsk from the bottom of Leningrad harbor, repaired it, and returned it to the defense of Leningrad.

Pablo

TomcatMVD · 02-10-08, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablo

Hi!

This "bug" actually reflects historical reality; for example

the Japanese sank five battleships at Pearl Harbor: one (USS Arizona) was destroyed in a magazine explosion; USS Oklahoma was refloated, but it was too badly damaged to repair and so it was decommissioned; but the U.S. repaired the other three (California, Maryland, and West Virginia) and sent them back into the war.
The British raised two battleships (HMS Queen Elizabeth and Valiant) from the bottom of Alexandria harbor and sent them to fight in the Pacific
The Italians raised the Conte di Cavour from the bottom of Taranto harbor, though it never returned to action.
The Soviets raised the heavy cruiser Petropavlovsk from the bottom of Leningrad harbor, repaired it, and returned it to the defense of Leningrad.

Pablo

See see!!!

Brag · 02-10-08, 09:06 AM

J.S. Balz writes:

Hoochie-woochie boom boom is better in deep water.

DirtyACE · 02-10-08, 04:53 PM

Thanks guys. Just wish I'd be able to find the sweet spot. I've tried shooting underneath the second turret and underneath the first smoke stack but no big explosions.

DirtyACE · 02-10-08, 06:42 PM

Well, I sank the Hood finally. Funny thing is that it took an impact torpedo, not a magnetic to take her down. I got into Plymouth the usual way, it was foggy, I got close enough to her to see where she was parked exactly but I still had no identification from my officer. Anyway, I backed away a bit to give myself the proper distance for torps to arm. Sent off three magnetics, one after the other. Two of them hit the target while the third missed, but she kept afloat. So I'm thinking "great, wont be able to sink her again". So I fire off a forth torp without paying attention to the settings. Only after firing do I notice that it was set to impact and slow speed. So now I'm dissapointed even more because I'm think it's a wasted torpedo since I had a really bad angle for impact torps. However, I hear an explosion and my officer confirms a hit, and then following that there were several other bigger explosions and I see the message 'She's going down'. Now I'm think wow, is that luck or what? I'm also thinking if by having that impact torp set on slow speed increases the chances of it actually exploding on contact if you have a bad angle.

What do you all think?

Antiacus · 02-11-08, 06:43 AM

I'd be surprised if the speed of the torpdedo comes into play in that calculation...

Go Ducks
-Antiacus

Jimbuna · 02-11-08, 07:59 AM

"What do you all think?".....I think your lucky to have come across HMS Hood

Of course, not everyone performs harbour raids

TomcatMVD · 02-11-08, 08:32 AM

For my experience, and what I've read on this forum, Impact pistol seems to be the way to go when you want to cause severe structural damage... if you're harbour raiding, I'd say Go for impacts!

Congrats Herr Kaleun! With HMS Hood out of action, we gave the arrogants brits a serious blow! Surely they'll surrender in the following days

Graf Paper · 02-11-08, 08:35 AM

...until they respawn. :p

Jimbuna · 02-11-08, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graf Paper

...until they respawn. :p

Respawn.....never!

There were actually 8 Hoods....the German BdU just never realised

TomcatMVD · 02-11-08, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graf Paper

...until they respawn. :p

Well done herr Graf Paper... Herr Fhurer just commited suicide after realizing he would never be able to sink'em all... Why can't you just keep your mouth shut!

:rotfl:

02-10-08, 04:42 AM	#1
DirtyACE Engineer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 213 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	Not sure if it's a bug in GWX2.0 I restarted my career. Went to Portsmouth to sink Hood again. Got into my usual firing position and let her have it with 3 magnetic torps. All three scored hits and I could tell she began to sink but she didn't. Her keel sat down on the bottom of the dock and that's it. Now I'm not getting a kill and I can't shoot anymore magnetics since there's nothing for them to go underneath, or impacts since I don't have the angle. I've tried this 3 times already and the same result everytime, though for some reason I was able to do it in my previous career, and both were in GWX2.0 I remember this was a problem (bug) a while back with the stock SH3 where ships in harbours would just sit on the bottom but not really sink. Is this the same thing again?

02-10-08, 08:04 AM	#4
TomcatMVD Weps Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: MVD, UY Posts: 359 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	I wouldn't call that a "bug"... sounds pretty real to me... Ok, herr Kaleun, you managed to make her seat on the bottom, but it'll take two cranes, and a couple of good blacksmiths just a couple of weeks to get her up to speed again... however, if you had managed to blow her appart... then that would have done it... Better luck next time! __________________

02-10-08, 08:39 AM	#5
Pablo Commodore Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 641 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	Hi! This "bug" actually reflects historical reality; for example the Japanese sank five battleships at Pearl Harbor: one (USS Arizona) was destroyed in a magazine explosion; USS Oklahoma was refloated, but it was too badly damaged to repair and so it was decommissioned; but the U.S. repaired the other three (California, Maryland, and West Virginia) and sent them back into the war. The British raised two battleships (HMS Queen Elizabeth and Valiant) from the bottom of Alexandria harbor and sent them to fight in the Pacific The Italians raised the Conte di Cavour from the bottom of Taranto harbor, though it never returned to action. The Soviets raised the heavy cruiser Petropavlovsk from the bottom of Leningrad harbor, repaired it, and returned it to the defense of Leningrad. Pablo __________________ "...far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt, speech before the Hamilton Club, Chicago, April 10, 1899

02-10-08, 09:06 AM	#7
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02-11-08, 07:59 AM	#11
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,491 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	"What do you all think?".....I think your lucky to have come across HMS Hood Of course, not everyone performs harbour raids __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

02-10-08, 05:03 AM	#2
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,803 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	I feel your pain, Im afraid its the same bug as stock, when in shallow waters you somtimes need to destroy the ship outright, SH3 has two mechanisms in place that determine weather a ship is 'sunk' the first is from flooding, when the ship submerges its considered destroyed, but in shallow waters they dont sink properly and thus rely on the second mechanism, which is when the ship loses all of its 'hit points' and explodes. It will often take 4 or 5 hits to destroy a battleship in this way, unless you strike a magazine or fuel tank. So in your situation it sounds like you are pretty stuck if you cant get any impact torpedos to detonate.

02-10-08, 05:49 AM	#3
DirtyACE Engineer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 213 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	In my previous career, what happened is that I was able to detonate a magnetic underneath its fuel tank or ammo bunker (not sure which one) and the ship would be considered destroyed. Unfortunately I haven't been able to get the magnetic into the same area this time around On the other hand, I did sink an Ocean Liner and a Large Tanker in Dunkirk, and then a Modern Tanker in Calais on the same patrol. The thing with those ships is that they didn't blow up either, they just sank regularly, so that's why I'm so bumbed out about the Hood.

02-10-08, 04:53 PM	#8
DirtyACE Engineer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 213 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	Thanks guys. Just wish I'd be able to find the sweet spot. I've tried shooting underneath the second turret and underneath the first smoke stack but no big explosions.

02-10-08, 06:42 PM	#9
DirtyACE Engineer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 213 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	Well, I sank the Hood finally. Funny thing is that it took an impact torpedo, not a magnetic to take her down. I got into Plymouth the usual way, it was foggy, I got close enough to her to see where she was parked exactly but I still had no identification from my officer. Anyway, I backed away a bit to give myself the proper distance for torps to arm. Sent off three magnetics, one after the other. Two of them hit the target while the third missed, but she kept afloat. So I'm thinking "great, wont be able to sink her again". So I fire off a forth torp without paying attention to the settings. Only after firing do I notice that it was set to impact and slow speed. So now I'm dissapointed even more because I'm think it's a wasted torpedo since I had a really bad angle for impact torps. However, I hear an explosion and my officer confirms a hit, and then following that there were several other bigger explosions and I see the message 'She's going down'. Now I'm think wow, is that luck or what? I'm also thinking if by having that impact torp set on slow speed increases the chances of it actually exploding on contact if you have a bad angle. What do you all think?

02-11-08, 06:43 AM	#10
Antiacus Medic Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Springfield, Oregon Posts: 161 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	I'd be surprised if the speed of the torpdedo comes into play in that calculation... Go Ducks -Antiacus

02-11-08, 08:32 AM	#12
TomcatMVD Weps Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: MVD, UY Posts: 359 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	For my experience, and what I've read on this forum, Impact pistol seems to be the way to go when you want to cause severe structural damage... if you're harbour raiding, I'd say Go for impacts! Congrats Herr Kaleun! With HMS Hood out of action, we gave the arrogants brits a serious blow! Surely they'll surrender in the following days __________________

02-11-08, 08:35 AM	#13
Graf Paper Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pacific Northwest United States Posts: 1,146 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 2	...until they respawn. :p __________________ Still sailing the high seas, hunting convoys with those who join me.

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