Hezbollah cracked IDF comm codes

Skybird · 10-05-06, 06:15 PM

Have lost track of these things myself a bit. Did not know to what degree Hezbollah was able to hack into IDF comms. HighTech really add some additonal thoughts needed to the concept of asymmetraicl warfare.

What needs to be remembered is this quote:
"A guerrilla force with the capabilities of a regular army."

Quote:

Originally Posted by newsday.com

Hezbollah cracked the code

Technology likely supplied by Iran allowed guerrillas to stop Israeli tank assaults

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...orldnews-print

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haaretz

Hezbollah listened in on IDF beepers and cell phones

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/S...?itemNo=770314

August · 10-06-06, 12:05 AM

SigSec is always open to being compromised. You Germans should understand that as well as anyone else...

The Avon Lady · 10-06-06, 12:34 AM

This news is about 2 weeks old.

Does Newsday have staff problems in their telegram wire deciphering department? :p

Skybird · 10-06-06, 06:38 AM

Yes, news from mid-Septemeber. But I lost track of the whole story and was surprised when now reading to what decisive degree Hezbollah had developed it's comm-intel capacities. Extremely bad news, since they will not stop polishing their abilities.

Konovalov · 10-06-06, 06:46 AM

I thought that Hezbollah used an Imperial Probe Droid to intercept IDF comms and gain the upper hand in the intelligence gathering department!

tycho102 · 10-06-06, 12:12 PM

So, what's the story with this?

Was the IDF giving the god damn UN team their comsec codes?

Was Iran/Syria/Hezbollah just using receivers to pinpoint inter-tank transmissions, and using UCA (unique component analysis) to determine the total force strength (this is based on the theory that no two radios are the exact same, and tiny differences in signal propagation can be detected and catalogued)?

The encryption on these things are fairly tight, and if the codes are changed daily like ours, breaking the algorithm would be some kind of absolute stroke of luck. So all things equal, I'm going to go with UCA and Iranian receivers.

edit: And, I guess, Russia. Russia is like Switzerland -- money from the middle is a lucrative niche. It's probably Russian gear, given to Iran, given to Syria, given to Hezbollah. Our comm systems need a severe overhaul. Interoperability, and operational security through obfuscation.

Happy Times · 10-06-06, 09:16 PM

I doubt theres is anything wrong about Israeli communications systems. If something has been intecepted its do to someone being lazy and/or careless. Seen it happen many times on exercises. We use Israeli radios also and i have great faith on them, used correctly.

TteFAboB · 10-06-06, 10:08 PM

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10-06-06, 12:05 AM	#2
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	SigSec is always open to being compromised. You Germans should understand that as well as anyone else... __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

10-06-06, 12:34 AM	#3
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	This news is about 2 weeks old. Does Newsday have staff problems in their telegram wire deciphering department? :p __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

10-06-06, 06:38 AM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,611 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Yes, news from mid-Septemeber. But I lost track of the whole story and was surprised when now reading to what decisive degree Hezbollah had developed it's comm-intel capacities. Extremely bad news, since they will not stop polishing their abilities. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-06-06, 06:46 AM	#5
Konovalov Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: High Wycombe, Bucks, UK Posts: 2,811 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	I thought that Hezbollah used an Imperial Probe Droid to intercept IDF comms and gain the upper hand in the intelligence gathering department! Last edited by Konovalov; 10-06-06 at 07:37 AM.

10-06-06, 12:12 PM	#6
tycho102 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,100 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	So, what's the story with this? Was the IDF giving the god damn UN team their comsec codes? Was Iran/Syria/Hezbollah just using receivers to pinpoint inter-tank transmissions, and using UCA (unique component analysis) to determine the total force strength (this is based on the theory that no two radios are the exact same, and tiny differences in signal propagation can be detected and catalogued)? The encryption on these things are fairly tight, and if the codes are changed daily like ours, breaking the algorithm would be some kind of absolute stroke of luck. So all things equal, I'm going to go with UCA and Iranian receivers. edit: And, I guess, Russia. Russia is like Switzerland -- money from the middle is a lucrative niche. It's probably Russian gear, given to Iran, given to Syria, given to Hezbollah. Our comm systems need a severe overhaul. Interoperability, and operational security through obfuscation. __________________ My little Silent Hunter 4 repository Last edited by tycho102; 10-06-06 at 12:19 PM.

10-06-06, 09:16 PM	#7
Happy Times Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 2,950 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I doubt theres is anything wrong about Israeli communications systems. If something has been intecepted its do to someone being lazy and/or careless. Seen it happen many times on exercises. We use Israeli radios also and i have great faith on them, used correctly. __________________

10-06-06, 10:08 PM	#8
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