OT but I'm so stoked !!!!

Deep Six · 05-22-06, 02:22 PM

OMG after endless tries I have actually got SILENT HUNTER(The very first) to work on my comp Windows XP SP2. And after playing a few of the single missions realised just how Bloody good the AI is on this game, pity it could not be ported over to SH3!!!

Oh yeah and this is SH v 1.31 with all the realism mods installed, I'm a very happy dude right now

Deep Six

Ducimus · 05-22-06, 03:49 PM

SH1, you mean .. like the one for DOS?

How'd you manage that? i still have that game, plus the expansions tucked away in a box. If SH1 has better AI then SH3, that is a crying shame. AI in this game sucks. I mean, it really sucks. May as well be playing an interactive screen saver.

KL Seestern · 05-22-06, 04:02 PM

Yes, I got the original SH to run on my computer a couple of years ago, using information at this website: http://www.subsowespac.org/sh_xp/silent_hunterxp.shtml
Hope this helps anyone else who wants to do the same!

05-22-06, 04:41 PM

funny, i tried a old one to today -> Aces of the Deep!
i found the manual again and after a few pages i downloaded the DosBox and installed it... AOD works ok, but didnt managed it to get sound... anyway, its amazing what they managed to do back in 1994! the KI etc. is better as the one in SH3 too. thats embarresing, dont you think? graphic of SH3 with the features from AOD+SH1 = perfect subsim!

Deep Six · 05-22-06, 04:54 PM

Yeppers the ORIGINAL dos game but unlike KL Seestern I have SP2 installed so I went to this page : http://www.subsowespac.org/silent-hunter-dosbox.shtml

Which also explains installing using Dos Box, but also using another free software called Defend to open the game, I found this method MUCH easier than just using Dos Box

And Yes AI from SH1+CAOD put SH3 to shame.

Nippelspanner yes that is a problem installing CAOD with Dos Box is that you loose the sound, maybe if you google enough you might come up with a solution

CybrSlydr · 05-22-06, 08:36 PM

What exactly makes the AI in those games so superior to SH3?

Ducimus · 05-22-06, 08:59 PM

Havent played the older ones in years, but id hazzard a guess in saying that in those older the games, the AI acutally can find you for starters, and then goes after your ass with gusto!

In SH3, your biggest threat (if you want to call it that without modification to make them tougher) is aircraft.

kiwi_2005 · 05-22-06, 09:30 PM

SH1

Hell i enjoyed this i remeber the rescue missions of having to pick up pilots. I wonder if these type of missions are going to be in SH4 :hmm:

John Channing · 05-22-06, 09:31 PM

Funny thing is that the most common complaint about SH11 was that the AI DD's could find you every time and kill you like you had a bullseye on your back.

Having spent some time on Projekt Messerwhatitsname I understand how they did it, but nevertheless, it was a royal pain knowing that once you were detected that was pretty much it.

Oh well...

JCC

CybrSlydr · 05-22-06, 10:02 PM

I don't see what's so "vaunted" about the old AI.

I rather like SH3's AI. Cunning and skill can save your ass. Farther you go... the tougher it is.

KL Seestern · 05-23-06, 12:56 AM

Yes, I can see both sides of the question ... sometimes in SHIII the escort vessels seem rather incompetent, but (as John Channing pointed out) 'knowing that once you were detected that was pretty much it' could get tiresome. Oh, for a middle ground ...

VipertheSniper · 05-23-06, 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Channing

Funny thing is that the most common complaint about SH11 was that the AI DD's could find you every time and kill you like you had a bullseye on your back.

That's the biggest nonsense I've ever heard about SH1, I've played a whole carrier and never had troubles evading escorts that had already detected me. ON full realism, minus realistic depth data.

I've installed it currently at an older PC with Win98, and I've gone to Hitachi, one of the guards detected me, I turned my bow into his direction, ordered silent running and he lost me.

They are a bigger challenge than the escorts in SH3 really, but they aren't unbeatable.

Gizzmoe · 05-23-06, 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VipertheSniper

That's the biggest nonsense I've ever heard about SH1

He was talking about SH2, not SH1.

05-23-06, 07:52 AM

i managed it to make AOD work with sound...wow its pretty cool to hear that again after so many years...

"smoke on the horizon captain!"

i will try to make a few screenies, there are some things which are very impressive! and those things show exactly why AOD is the best subsim of all times...

The Noob · 05-23-06, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

funny, i tried a old one to today -> Aces of the Deep!
i found the manual again and after a few pages i downloaded the DosBox and installed it... AOD works ok, but didnt managed it to get sound... anyway, its amazing what they managed to do back in 1994! the KI etc. is better as the one in SH3 too. thats embarresing, dont you think? graphic of SH3 with the features from AOD+SH1 = perfect subsim!

Yup. I have Downloaded my Copy from someware, and i played it till i got SH3. With all the Trix AOD teached me (And wich didn't helped much in AOD) i could Fake the SH3 Destroyers to no end. They are just too Stupid...

Today everyone just tries to get the best graphics and forgets the rest about it...

Und nochwas: Im englischen schreibt man es "AI" statt "KI".

05-22-06, 02:22 PM	#1
Deep Six Ensign Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England, Manchester. Posts: 235 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 0	OT but I'm so stoked !!!! OMG after endless tries I have actually got SILENT HUNTER(The very first) to work on my comp Windows XP SP2. And after playing a few of the single missions realised just how Bloody good the AI is on this game, pity it could not be ported over to SH3!!! Oh yeah and this is SH v 1.31 with all the realism mods installed, I'm a very happy dude right now Deep Six __________________

05-22-06, 04:54 PM	#5
Deep Six Ensign Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England, Manchester. Posts: 235 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 0	Yeppers the ORIGINAL dos game but unlike KL Seestern I have SP2 installed so I went to this page : http://www.subsowespac.org/silent-hunter-dosbox.shtml Which also explains installing using Dos Box, but also using another free software called Defend to open the game, I found this method MUCH easier than just using Dos Box And Yes AI from SH1+CAOD put SH3 to shame. Nippelspanner yes that is a problem installing CAOD with Dos Box is that you loose the sound, maybe if you google enough you might come up with a solution __________________

05-22-06, 09:30 PM	#8
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	SH1 Hell i enjoyed this i remeber the rescue missions of having to pick up pilots. I wonder if these type of missions are going to be in SH4 :hmm: __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

05-22-06, 03:49 PM	#2
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	SH1, you mean .. like the one for DOS? How'd you manage that? i still have that game, plus the expansions tucked away in a box. If SH1 has better AI then SH3, that is a crying shame. AI in this game sucks. I mean, it really sucks. May as well be playing an interactive screen saver.

05-22-06, 04:02 PM	#3
KL Seestern Mate Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 53 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	Yes, I got the original SH to run on my computer a couple of years ago, using information at this website: http://www.subsowespac.org/sh_xp/silent_hunterxp.shtml Hope this helps anyone else who wants to do the same!

05-22-06, 04:41 PM	#4
Nippelspanner Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	funny, i tried a old one to today -> Aces of the Deep! i found the manual again and after a few pages i downloaded the DosBox and installed it... AOD works ok, but didnt managed it to get sound... anyway, its amazing what they managed to do back in 1994! the KI etc. is better as the one in SH3 too. thats embarresing, dont you think? graphic of SH3 with the features from AOD+SH1 = perfect subsim!

05-22-06, 08:36 PM	#6
CybrSlydr Lieutenant Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Beverly, OH Posts: 263 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	What exactly makes the AI in those games so superior to SH3?

05-22-06, 08:59 PM	#7
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Havent played the older ones in years, but id hazzard a guess in saying that in those older the games, the AI acutally can find you for starters, and then goes after your ass with gusto! In SH3, your biggest threat (if you want to call it that without modification to make them tougher) is aircraft.

05-22-06, 09:31 PM	#9
John Channing Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 1998 Posts: 1,846 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 5	Funny thing is that the most common complaint about SH11 was that the AI DD's could find you every time and kill you like you had a bullseye on your back. Having spent some time on Projekt Messerwhatitsname I understand how they did it, but nevertheless, it was a royal pain knowing that once you were detected that was pretty much it. Oh well... JCC

05-22-06, 10:02 PM	#10
CybrSlydr Lieutenant Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Beverly, OH Posts: 263 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	I don't see what's so "vaunted" about the old AI. I rather like SH3's AI. Cunning and skill can save your ass. Farther you go... the tougher it is.

05-23-06, 12:56 AM	#11
KL Seestern Mate Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 53 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	Yes, I can see both sides of the question ... sometimes in SHIII the escort vessels seem rather incompetent, but (as John Channing pointed out) 'knowing that once you were detected that was pretty much it' could get tiresome. Oh, for a middle ground ...

05-23-06, 07:52 AM	#14
Nippelspanner Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	i managed it to make AOD work with sound...wow its pretty cool to hear that again after so many years... "smoke on the horizon captain!" i will try to make a few screenies, there are some things which are very impressive! and those things show exactly why AOD is the best subsim of all times...