Time to put external cameras on school buses

Platapus · 11-29-18, 07:06 PM

We had yet another incident where a child was run over by a driver failing to stop for a school bus.

A 7 year old had to be put in a medical coma. That's not a great sign.

Last spring, the Maryland State Department of Educatiin's study found 3,812 bus-stop violations...in a single day!!!

To me, the solution is to equip strategically placed cameras around school buses and to record the license plate of anyone who violates the state laws about stopping for a school bus.

Slap these morons with a $500 fine and that will not only teach them a lesson but would bring in almost $2 million dollars just for that one day's violations. That should pay for any expenses in getting school buses equipped with cameras.

Those who violate this law, need to have a harsh punishment that does not involve a ticket but requires a court appearance. Violating this law, to me, indicates a disregard for the safety of children.

Are there really people out there who don't know to stop when a school bus has its flashing lights on and the big frickin stop sign displayed???

This type is negligence just burns my bisects.

August · 11-29-18, 07:43 PM

I fully agree.

mapuc · 11-29-18, 07:48 PM

We have the same problems here in Denmark and so in Sweden.

About place cameras around schools.

It will not take long before someone have destroyed them or some of them.

Markus

u crank · 11-29-18, 07:50 PM

Yea we've had a lot of that here lately. I would take their drivers license away for a long time. There is no excuse.

Jeff-Groves · 11-29-18, 08:05 PM

But that text was so important!

$500 is not enough! Lets go taking your phone if you were using it, remove driving rights for 2 years, and surrender the plates to the car.

I say we need to require Cars to install a way drivers CAN NOT use their phones period!

Seems We could get around just fine before Cell phones became the death machine I'm seeing EVERYDAY now.

August · 11-29-18, 08:19 PM

You take away a persons right to drive and you pretty much take away their means of earning a living, which affects not only them but their families as well, and possibly make them a burden on everyone when we have to give them welfare. That's pretty strong response for a first offense when nobody got hurt.

A 500 dollar fine (1000 would be better) , maybe a class or some community service even but save the really draconian stuff for repeat offenders.

Jeff-Groves · 11-29-18, 09:03 PM

$1000 fine for a child's life possibly?
Sounds fare in a draconian sort of way.

Sailor Steve · 11-29-18, 10:47 PM

I agree with August. I think the fine would work better. That's when no one is hurt. If a child is killed I think a manslaughter trial becomes appropriate.

August · 11-29-18, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I agree with August. I think the fine would work better. That's when no one is hurt. If a child is killed I think a manslaughter trial becomes appropriate.

Exactly. If anybody (not just a kid) even gets hurt then I'd want to see some serious jail time given out but a first time offender that's not speeding and doesn't cause an accident should be given a little pain for his stupidity but not have his life seriously ruined over it.

Skybird · 11-30-18, 07:09 AM

Was almost rolled over by a car last month while I was on a bicykle, young man driving, his head and eyes and one hand were down and he looked at his nap, he saw me last second and hand flashed up to the wheel - a smartphone in it. He did not even care to brake, just rolled on, at not slow speed.

Better for him, for I was furious, if he would have stopped, he would have received quite some.

Damn smartphone zombies. The penalties for such violations must be draconically raised, the must really hurt (something neither lawmaker nor our endlessly pedagogizing courts judges simply do not understand. 6 months driving license retired, half a month'S income. Its potential slaughter. Once an first time offender has been lectured about the risks and does it again, I rate it even as attempted murder.

u crank · 11-30-18, 07:41 AM

As I have stated, passing school buses with their lights flashing has become all to common here.

Two recent examples that resulted in charges.

I don't know if these were first time offenses and I don't care. They recklessly endangered the lives of two children. There is no excusing this behavior.

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The first driver, a 28-year-old man from Springvale, was charged after passing a bus with red lights flashing on Route 2 in Springvale on Oct. 25.

A child was crossing the road at the time the driver passed the bus, but was not struck by the vehicle.

The second driver, a 19-year-old man from Charlottetown, was charged after passing a bus on Route 6 in Brackley, on Oct. 31. A child was about to cross the road, but the bus driver was able to alert the child to stop as the vehicle went through the lights.

https://www.theguardian.pe.ca/news/l...-buses-257383/

So it will be more costly for these idiots. Just in...

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This update to the Highway Traffic Act will take effect Dec. 8 and means failing to stop for a school bus when the red flashing lights are activated will lead to 12 demerit points, resulting in suspension of the licence for three months. This is in addition to the fine of up to $5,000.

https://www.theguardian.pe.ca/news/l...icence-263961/

My experience is that school bus drivers are very accommodating with other drivers. If there is a string of vehicles behind they will pull over and let them pass. How big of a hurry can you be in that you would endanger the life of a child?

Jimbuna · 12-01-18, 06:45 AM

First offence, fine. Repeat offenders, jail time.

em2nought · 12-01-18, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Damn smartphone zombies.

Don't you Euro guys have an easier time of hurting big business? I don't see why smart phones makers aren't responsible for this? Their products should have some sort of texting lock out when the GPS determines that you're in a vehicle. Seems to me that it wouldn't be too hard to do? People shouldn't die for emojis?

School buses around here already look like the circus is coming to town, complete with a strobe that kills your night vision whenever near a bus at night. duh lol

ETR3(SS) · 12-01-18, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by em2nought

Don't you Euro guys have an easier time of hurting big business? I don't see why smart phones makers aren't responsible for this? Their products should have some sort of texting lock out when the GPS determines that you're in a vehicle. Seems to me that it wouldn't be too hard to do? People shouldn't die for emojis?

The manufacturer isn't responsible the same way spoon makers aren't responsible for making people fat. As for locking out a persons phone using GPS, not everyone has their GPS turned on. Some turn it off to save on battery life and some turn it off because they don't like the thought of something (or someone) knowing their location all the time. Not to mention the increased cost of development of a feature and it's implementation, factor in that there are already GPS spoofing apps for your smartphone and you've negated any well meaning.

em2nought · 12-01-18, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

As for locking out a persons phone using GPS, not everyone has their GPS turned on. Some turn it off to save on battery life and some turn it off because they don't like the thought of something (or someone) knowing their location all the time. Not to mention the increased cost of development of a feature and it's implementation, factor in that there are already GPS spoofing apps for your smartphone and you've negated any well meaning.

Ok, RFID chips in cars that disable texting then. We could build liberty ships in five days at one time, now we can't "do" anything.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...moving-922232/

11-29-18, 07:06 PM	#1
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,360 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Time to put external cameras on school buses We had yet another incident where a child was run over by a driver failing to stop for a school bus. A 7 year old had to be put in a medical coma. That's not a great sign. Last spring, the Maryland State Department of Educatiin's study found 3,812 bus-stop violations...in a single day!!! To me, the solution is to equip strategically placed cameras around school buses and to record the license plate of anyone who violates the state laws about stopping for a school bus. Slap these morons with a $500 fine and that will not only teach them a lesson but would bring in almost $2 million dollars just for that one day's violations. That should pay for any expenses in getting school buses equipped with cameras. Those who violate this law, need to have a harsh punishment that does not involve a ticket but requires a court appearance. Violating this law, to me, indicates a disregard for the safety of children. Are there really people out there who don't know to stop when a school bus has its flashing lights on and the big frickin stop sign displayed??? This type is negligence just burns my bisects. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

11-29-18, 07:43 PM	#2
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I fully agree. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

11-29-18, 07:50 PM	#4
u crank Old enough to know better Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Prince Edward Island Posts: 11,744 Downloads: 136 Uploads: 0	Yea we've had a lot of that here lately. I would take their drivers license away for a long time. There is no excuse. __________________ “Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.” ― Arthur C. Clarke

11-29-18, 08:19 PM	#6
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You take away a persons right to drive and you pretty much take away their means of earning a living, which affects not only them but their families as well, and possibly make them a burden on everyone when we have to give them welfare. That's pretty strong response for a first offense when nobody got hurt. A 500 dollar fine (1000 would be better) , maybe a class or some community service even but save the really draconian stuff for repeat offenders. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

11-29-18, 10:47 PM	#8
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I agree with August. I think the fine would work better. That's when no one is hurt. If a child is killed I think a manslaughter trial becomes appropriate. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

11-29-18, 07:48 PM	#3
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,535 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	We have the same problems here in Denmark and so in Sweden. About place cameras around schools. It will not take long before someone have destroyed them or some of them. Markus

11-29-18, 08:05 PM	#5
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,649 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	But that text was so important! $500 is not enough! Lets go taking your phone if you were using it, remove driving rights for 2 years, and surrender the plates to the car. I say we need to require Cars to install a way drivers CAN NOT use their phones period! Seems We could get around just fine before Cell phones became the death machine I'm seeing EVERYDAY now.

11-29-18, 09:03 PM	#7
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,649 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	$1000 fine for a child's life possibly? Sounds fare in a draconian sort of way.

11-30-18, 07:09 AM	#10
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Was almost rolled over by a car last month while I was on a bicykle, young man driving, his head and eyes and one hand were down and he looked at his nap, he saw me last second and hand flashed up to the wheel - a smartphone in it. He did not even care to brake, just rolled on, at not slow speed. Better for him, for I was furious, if he would have stopped, he would have received quite some. Damn smartphone zombies. The penalties for such violations must be draconically raised, the must really *hurt* (something neither lawmaker nor our endlessly pedagogizing courts judges simply do not understand. 6 months driving license retired, half a month'S income. Its potential slaughter. Once an first time offender has been lectured about the risks and does it again, I rate it even as attempted murder. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-01-18, 06:45 AM	#12
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,461 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	First offence, fine. Repeat offenders, jail time. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!