Why is everyone using torpedo speed at fast?

MCM · 01-28-16, 01:56 AM

Hi,

in every video I see that everyone is using fast torpedo speed. But I read somewhere that with fast torpedo speed the chances are higher to have a dud. Is this true only for magnetic or for impact too?

What advantages has the fast torpedo speed? That the ships can't outrun them?

With e.g. middle speed I would have a lot more time to shoot some torpedos at a convoy and sneak away. Because they hit later I would have made more distance, would me more far away then with fast speed.

THEBERBSTER · 01-28-16, 05:16 AM

Hi MCM
Logically you could say the faster the torpedo speed the less chance of the target being able to take avoiding action.
With the G7e type you only have a slow speed anyway, I always carry a few of these for daylight attacks and for attacking merchants in escorted convoys.
Other advantages with the slower speeds is setting up another target and having that extra bit of time to be able to move, or take up a better defensive position.
Peter

Rockin Robbins · 01-28-16, 09:55 AM

With every shot you take there is an error envelope that can be expressed as an angle of a certain number of degrees.

There are some variables we have control of and some we do not. We can get closer and we can pick our torpedo speed. Let us suppose that our target is five degrees long. You can't slow him down.

But you can pick your torpedo speed. A faster torpedo, taking a shorter time to get to the target works exactly like decreasing the range to increase the accuracy of your shot. It makes your error envelope a small percentage of the length of the target instead of either a large fraction of the length or sometimes even longer than the length of the target. The fast torpedo is always the most accurate.

And the things said earlier about less time for the target to maneuver are also valid. Additionally, your most error tolerant shot is to shoot when you are perfectly abeam of your target (American analysis, don't use this information if you want to be historically plausible) with the torpedo striking the target at about a 110º to 120º torpedo track angle(that depends on target speed). Since your torpedo is approaching the target from slightly behind, the difference between fast and slow torpedoes is exxagerated.

dashyr · 01-28-16, 01:35 PM

Personnally I do that because I dont want my target to dodge it. And since usually you attack from close range (<1500m usually) it is really worth it. The only reason id use slow speed is when I want to hit a target close right after shooting fast torpedoes at a target that is a bit farther. Mostly in an attempt to have them explode on target about at the same time. But those situation are rare for me.. Maybe less uncommon for experienced players.

MCM · 01-28-16, 01:45 PM

AH ok I totally understood the explanation of Rockin Robbins, very nice!!! THX!

Does someone know if it is true that faster torpedos have more duds then slower ones? Or this only true for magnetic ones? And I read that electric torps are not as reliable as steam ones: Is this correlated to magnetics too or what is not so reliable? Because electrics are very usefull at daytimes like you guys said but noone uses them.

GT182 · 01-29-16, 10:52 PM

One advantage of a faster torpedo is to take out convoy Escorts. When they find you and come after you, once they're within 600 to 500 meters, you're "fast" speed torpedo set on magnetic and depth just below the Escort's keel will sink them 90% of the time.

Once you clear off the closest Escorts the convoy is easier to fire on. I usually load all the Steam torpedoes I can and only carry a couple of electric torpedoes in reserve.

As for Duds, I'd say part of that depends on your Game Options, and/or torpedo mods if you use any.

Steam torpedoes set to their lowest speed will give you the longest travel distance.

Magnetic and Impact are, in my thoughts, a crap shoot. I've found that either has the same chance to be a dud. Especially in the early war years.

Sandman_28054 · 01-30-16, 04:48 PM

I haven't had any luck on fast. I found out that it generally, would shoot in front of my targets. Medium speed for me.

I try to move in close, and I mean close. I dive to avoid the escorts in front, then if not detected, run up to 14 meters, pop up my scope and when targets are between 1000-800 meters, open fire. Generally two per ship does it, occasionally one will. If it don't, I left the wounded duck pass me by and open up with aft tubes.

Thomsen564 · 02-06-16, 05:15 AM

Well, since I am using the manual torpedo-aiming I need to change the speed of them accordingly to get those dots on line. I just don´t trust all those techs. Yes, probably I´m a noob.

Is anyone else using the same technique?

Cybermat47 · 02-06-16, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomsen564

Is anyone else using the same technique?

Before I switched to manual TDC, I did the exact same thing

sshellokitty · 02-06-16, 10:58 AM

You have to remember that changing the speed also affects the range. Whenever I do a port attack and use slow speed because it has the greatest range. You can also change up the speed to try and make torps hit targets at different ranges at/around the same time.

01-28-16, 01:56 AM	#1
MCM Engineer Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 210 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 0	Why is everyone using torpedo speed at fast? Hi, in every video I see that everyone is using fast torpedo speed. But I read somewhere that with fast torpedo speed the chances are higher to have a dud. Is this true only for magnetic or for impact too? What advantages has the fast torpedo speed? That the ships can't outrun them? With e.g. middle speed I would have a lot more time to shoot some torpedos at a convoy and sneak away. Because they hit later I would have made more distance, would me more far away then with fast speed.

01-28-16, 05:16 AM	#2
THEBERBSTER Growing Old Disgracefully Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Hythe - Southampton Posts: 9,609 Downloads: 1133 Uploads: 0	Hi MCM Logically you could say the faster the torpedo speed the less chance of the target being able to take avoiding action. With the G7e type you only have a slow speed anyway, I always carry a few of these for daylight attacks and for attacking merchants in escorted convoys. Other advantages with the slower speeds is setting up another target and having that extra bit of time to be able to move, or take up a better defensive position. Peter __________________ LSH3-2015 <> TUTORIALS <> ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW <> ALL IN ONE PLACE SH4 <> TUTORIALS <> HOW TO DO IT <> INFORMATION <> DOWNLOAD LINKS SH5 <> TUTORIALS <> HOW TO DO IT <> INFORMATION <> DOWNLOAD LINKS Always Here To Help A Fellow 'Subber' \| Need An Answer to A Question Just Send Me A PM

01-28-16, 09:55 AM	#3
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	With every shot you take there is an error envelope that can be expressed as an angle of a certain number of degrees. There are some variables we have control of and some we do not. We can get closer and we can pick our torpedo speed. Let us suppose that our target is five degrees long. You can't slow him down. But you can pick your torpedo speed. A faster torpedo, taking a shorter time to get to the target works exactly like decreasing the range to increase the accuracy of your shot. It makes your error envelope a small percentage of the length of the target instead of either a large fraction of the length or sometimes even longer than the length of the target. The fast torpedo is always the most accurate. And the things said earlier about less time for the target to maneuver are also valid. Additionally, your most error tolerant shot is to shoot when you are perfectly abeam of your target (American analysis, don't use this information if you want to be historically plausible) with the torpedo striking the target at about a 110º to 120º torpedo track angle(that depends on target speed). Since your torpedo is approaching the target from slightly behind, the difference between fast and slow torpedoes is exxagerated. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

01-29-16, 10:52 PM	#6
GT182 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Castle of Delaware Posts: 3,231 Downloads: 658 Uploads: 0	One advantage of a faster torpedo is to take out convoy Escorts. When they find you and come after you, once they're within 600 to 500 meters, you're "fast" speed torpedo set on magnetic and depth just below the Escort's keel will sink them 90% of the time. Once you clear off the closest Escorts the convoy is easier to fire on. I usually load all the Steam torpedoes I can and only carry a couple of electric torpedoes in reserve. As for Duds, I'd say part of that depends on your Game Options, and/or torpedo mods if you use any. Steam torpedoes set to their lowest speed will give you the longest travel distance. Magnetic and Impact are, in my thoughts, a crap shoot. I've found that either has the same chance to be a dud. Especially in the early war years. __________________ Gary No Borders, No Language, No Culture =s No Country I'm a Deplorable, and proud of it. Last edited by GT182; 01-29-16 at 10:58 PM.

01-30-16, 04:48 PM	#7
Sandman_28054 Captain Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 547 Downloads: 279 Uploads: 0	I haven't had any luck on fast. I found out that it generally, would shoot in front of my targets. Medium speed for me. I try to move in close, and I mean close. I dive to avoid the escorts in front, then if not detected, run up to 14 meters, pop up my scope and when targets are between 1000-800 meters, open fire. Generally two per ship does it, occasionally one will. If it don't, I left the wounded duck pass me by and open up with aft tubes. __________________ NewUI's_TDC_7_1_0 By The Darkwraith Open Horizon's II, v2.2 full RemovelogointoTheDarkWraith Travelly's Harbor and Canal Pilot Uboat_Snorkel_1_1_0 By The DarkWraith Equipment_Upgrades_Fix_v1.4 By TheBeast

01-28-16, 01:35 PM	#4
dashyr Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 133 Downloads: 183 Uploads: 0	Personnally I do that because I dont want my target to dodge it. And since usually you attack from close range (<1500m usually) it is really worth it. The only reason id use slow speed is when I want to hit a target close right after shooting fast torpedoes at a target that is a bit farther. Mostly in an attempt to have them explode on target about at the same time. But those situation are rare for me.. Maybe less uncommon for experienced players.

01-28-16, 01:45 PM	#5
MCM Engineer Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 210 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 0	AH ok I totally understood the explanation of Rockin Robbins, very nice!!! THX! Does someone know if it is true that faster torpedos have more duds then slower ones? Or this only true for magnetic ones? And I read that electric torps are not as reliable as steam ones: Is this correlated to magnetics too or what is not so reliable? Because electrics are very usefull at daytimes like you guys said but noone uses them.

02-06-16, 05:15 AM	#8
Thomsen564 Swabbie Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 5 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Well, since I am using the manual torpedo-aiming I need to change the speed of them accordingly to get those dots on line. I just don´t trust all those techs. Yes, probably I´m a noob. Is anyone else using the same technique?

02-06-16, 10:58 AM	#10
sshellokitty Bosun Join Date: May 2014 Location: Tampa Bay area Posts: 63 Downloads: 96 Uploads: 0	You have to remember that changing the speed also affects the range. Whenever I do a port attack and use slow speed because it has the greatest range. You can also change up the speed to try and make torps hit targets at different ranges at/around the same time.