[REL] Trigger Maru Overhauled v2.7

Rockin Robbins · 12-12-15, 10:22 AM

At the risk of world ending catalcysm, I have decided that it would be appropriate to release Trigger Maru Overhauled 2.7, provided to me for evaluation by Ducimus but never subsequently released. I don't think I ever unzipped the file and I know I never used it. If nothing else, this brings the file home to Subsim so that it can be preserved no matter what.

So I'm not sure the exact changes that Ducimus made to this version. I suspect that one was to include the small patch, but I'm sure that if that were all he did he wouldn't have given it a new version number.

So I'm asking help. When you run it, when you notice changes from 2.5 post them in this thread. I hereby certify that this is the actual unmodified copy of TMO 2.7 provided to me by Ducimus and that I have no contributions whatever to the content thereof.

Enjoy! TMO 2.7

aanker · 12-12-15, 02:05 PM

Thank you RR, At first glance it looks like he did away with the TAMBOR campaign (The 'Terrible T') and took it back to 2.0, while (hopefully) keeping other improvements he made in 2.5; possibly fine tuning those?

The change log is from 2.0, as is the Readme.
32_changelog_190_20 6/2/2010

A comparison using WinMerge may be the easiest way to find out.

cdrsubron7 · 12-12-15, 03:45 PM

As always RR, nice job.

fitzcarraldo · 12-12-15, 08:51 PM

Many thanks RR!

Downloading now. Tomorrow I will have a first impression.

I hope Ducimus did some changes to the horrendous environment in TMO 25.

Best regards.

Fitzcarraldo

fitzcarraldo · 12-12-15, 09:49 PM

Well. I run SH4 15 with this TMO 27. It seems the version 20. Not includes patch to TMO 22. It seems Duci sent you a TMO 20 and could there be some changes. No Nisgeis 3D TDC and new radar. Could be a beta over TMO 20. Environment is that on TMO 20/22.

I didn't see any significant change to call this mod a new TMO 27.

Only my first impression.

Regards.

Fitzcarraldo

aanker · 12-13-15, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitzcarraldo

Well. I run SH4 15 with this TMO 27. It seems the version 20. Not includes patch to TMO 22. It seems Duci sent you a TMO 20 and could there be some changes. No Nisgeis 3D TDC and new radar. Could be a beta over TMO 20. Environment is that on TMO 20/22.

I didn't see any significant change to call this mod a new TMO 27.

Only my first impression.

Regards.

Fitzcarraldo

The same thoughts as Fitzcarraldo here. It seems to be 2.0. I have 2.0, 2.2, & 2.5 installed, (for comparison purposes) and now this version.

I think TMO 2.5 with the small_patch, plus an environmental mod like ISE v2 (not v3 : ) with the ISE realistic colors is better... plus 2.5 has the option to play the TAMBOR campaign (The 'Terrible T') which I really like.

Ducimus really has a very nice (imo) campaign in 2.5 that many people miss out on because they think they 'need' RSRD. Like Ducimus said, 'if you don't like his campaign try RSRD'.

Rockin Robbins · 12-13-15, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitzcarraldo

Well. I run SH4 15 with this TMO 27. It seems the version 20. Not includes patch to TMO 22. It seems Duci sent you a TMO 20 and could there be some changes. No Nisgeis 3D TDC and new radar. Could be a beta over TMO 20. Environment is that on TMO 20/22.

I didn't see any significant change to call this mod a new TMO 27.

Only my first impression.

Regards.

Fitzcarraldo

VERY interesting. So this might actually be a regression from TMO 2.5?

fitzcarraldo · 12-13-15, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

VERY interesting. So this might actually be a regression from TMO 2.5?

Could be. But eliminate the Nisgeis stuff don't seem Ducimus style.

Regards.

Fitzcarraldo

Rockin Robbins · 12-13-15, 07:45 PM

I agree totally. I looked at all the Balao submarine files and the modification dates on the 2.7 version are all older than those on 2.5. At this point I can't recommend replacing 2.5 with 2.7, especially with the loss of Nisgeis' great work. I'm going to have to research exactly how I got the file and backtrack for clues here.

In the meantime, I sure wouldn't be jumping out of 2.5 into 2.7.

This is from the Kickinback ftp server, to which I have lost the logon information I need to research further. Nobody is around kickinback.com, where most of this modding used to take place. It was the place where Nisgeis developed the 3D TDC and Ducimus integrated it into TMO. They were very hot on that project and I know Ducimus wouldn't have subsequently abandoned it.

I have an old backup of my XP machine that might still have the info I need but nowhere to restore it to right now to check that out. Wonder what gymnastics I'd need to go through to convince Acronis True Image to install that in a virtual machine? Could be very interesting......

And equally interesting is why the version 2.7 number was on this apparently older version of TMO aboard the kickinback ftp server.

12-12-15, 10:22 AM	#1
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Trigger Maru Overhauled v2.7 At the risk of world ending catalcysm, I have decided that it would be appropriate to release Trigger Maru Overhauled 2.7, provided to me for evaluation by Ducimus but never subsequently released. I don't think I ever unzipped the file and I know I never used it. If nothing else, this brings the file home to Subsim so that it can be preserved no matter what. So I'm not sure the exact changes that Ducimus made to this version. I suspect that one was to include the small patch, but I'm sure that if that were all he did he wouldn't have given it a new version number. So I'm asking help. When you run it, when you notice changes from 2.5 post them in this thread. I hereby certify that this is the actual unmodified copy of TMO 2.7 provided to me by Ducimus and that I have no contributions whatever to the content thereof. Enjoy! TMO 2.7 __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

12-12-15, 03:45 PM	#3
cdrsubron7 Sink'em All Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 2,150 Downloads: 305 Uploads: 1	As always RR, nice job. __________________ Head Deep and Keep'em Astern" - LtCDR Samuel D Dealy SHIV Guide \| Imperial Japanese Navy \| US Submarines

12-12-15, 08:51 PM	#4
fitzcarraldo Argentinian Skipper Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Somewhere between Buenos Aires and the Bungo Suido Posts: 5,318 Downloads: 3346 Uploads: 0	Many thanks RR! Downloading now. Tomorrow I will have a first impression. I hope Ducimus did some changes to the horrendous environment in TMO 25. Best regards. Fitzcarraldo __________________ *My subject is War, and the pity of War. The Poetry is in the pity - Wilfred Owen.*

12-12-15, 09:49 PM	#5
fitzcarraldo Argentinian Skipper Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Somewhere between Buenos Aires and the Bungo Suido Posts: 5,318 Downloads: 3346 Uploads: 0	Well. I run SH4 15 with this TMO 27. It seems the version 20. Not includes patch to TMO 22. It seems Duci sent you a TMO 20 and could there be some changes. No Nisgeis 3D TDC and new radar. Could be a beta over TMO 20. Environment is that on TMO 20/22. I didn't see any significant change to call this mod a new TMO 27. Only my first impression. Regards. Fitzcarraldo __________________ *My subject is War, and the pity of War. The Poetry is in the pity - Wilfred Owen.*

12-13-15, 07:45 PM	#9
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	I agree totally. I looked at all the Balao submarine files and the modification dates on the 2.7 version are all older than those on 2.5. At this point I can't recommend replacing 2.5 with 2.7, especially with the loss of Nisgeis' great work. I'm going to have to research exactly how I got the file and backtrack for clues here. In the meantime, I sure wouldn't be jumping out of 2.5 into 2.7. This is from the Kickinback ftp server, to which I have lost the logon information I need to research further. Nobody is around kickinback.com, where most of this modding used to take place. It was the place where Nisgeis developed the 3D TDC and Ducimus integrated it into TMO. They were very hot on that project and I know Ducimus wouldn't have subsequently abandoned it. I have an old backup of my XP machine that might still have the info I need but nowhere to restore it to right now to check that out. Wonder what gymnastics I'd need to go through to convince Acronis True Image to install that in a virtual machine? Could be very interesting...... And equally interesting is why the version 2.7 number was on this apparently older version of TMO aboard the kickinback ftp server. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS Last edited by Rockin Robbins; 12-13-15 at 08:26 PM.

12-12-15, 02:05 PM	#2
aanker Pacific Thunder Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yellow Sea Posts: 1,896 Downloads: 236 Uploads: 14	Thank you RR, At first glance it looks like he did away with the TAMBOR campaign (The 'Terrible T') and took it back to 2.0, while (hopefully) keeping other improvements he made in 2.5; possibly fine tuning those? The change log is from 2.0, as is the Readme. 32_changelog_190_20 6/2/2010 A comparison using WinMerge may be the easiest way to find out.