Computers now dominate Poker, too

Skybird · 01-09-15, 07:33 PM

After Checkers, Backgammon, and practically Chess, another great game has been finally analysed to death and solved by computers: Poker (Heads-Up Hold'em).

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6218/145

http://poker.srv.ualberta.ca/ Play it yourself.

Die Entzauberung der Welt. Really that much desirable?

The only of the great games that promises to resist to brute force of computers even for much longer, seems to be Go.

Betonov · 01-10-15, 04:23 AM

Chess, checkers, backgammon... still alive and well. Played by millions.
Same with poker. Being analysed to death means nothing to 99% of the existing players.

Cybermat47 · 01-10-15, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

The only of the great games that promises to resist to brute force of computers even for much longer, seems to be Go.

Never heard of that one

Betonov · 01-10-15, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Never heard of that one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_%28game%29

Sound fun and challenging. Lot less rules like chess.

Skybird · 01-10-15, 05:27 AM

And a whole quantum leap of variations more than in chess, I think. Extremely difficult for computers to calculate, since the variation tree is extremely wide.

Game play is less dynamic, more static, and thus very different. I never really got deeper into it.

Betonov · 01-10-15, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

And a whole quantum leap of variations more than in chess, I think. Extremely difficult for computers to calculate, since the variation tree is extremely wide.

Yep, wiki says:

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There is significant strategy involved in the game, and the number of possible games is vast (10^761 compared, for example, to the 10^120 possible in chess), despite its relatively simple rules.

Despite ?? It's because it's simple rules. Less rules, more options.

and:

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The game complexity of Go is such that describing even elementary strategy fills many introductory books. In fact, numerical estimates show that the number of possible games of Go far exceeds the number of atoms in the observable universe.

Jimbuna · 01-10-15, 07:19 AM

Never played 'Go' but have spent many an hour watching people play on street corners and coffee shops whilst in Asia

vienna · 01-10-15, 01:30 PM

There are subset games of Go, one of the most popular is Gomoku. It involves placing 5 Go stones in a row before your opponent can place his 5 in a row. The play is very simple, the game is diabolical. Here is some information about the game:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gomoku

For those of you who want to have a "go" at the game, here is a link to an online version of the game:

http://gomoku.yjyao.com/

Be forewarned: the game can be frustrating, even at the novice level. It can also be extremely addictive; I have spent many hours playing a flash version I downloaded some time back...

<O>

u crank · 01-10-15, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

Be forewarned: the game can be frustrating, even at the novice level. It can also be extremely addictive; I have spent many hours playing a flash version I downloaded some time back...<O>

Dang you Vienna....

vienna · 01-10-15, 07:46 PM

You're very welcome...

<O>

01-09-15, 07:33 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Computers now dominate Poker, too After Checkers, Backgammon, and practically Chess, another great game has been finally analysed to death and solved by computers: Poker (Heads-Up Hold'em). http://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6218/145 http://poker.srv.ualberta.ca/ Play it yourself. Die Entzauberung der Welt. Really that much desirable? The only of the great games that promises to resist to brute force of computers even for much longer, seems to be Go. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-10-15, 05:27 AM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	And a whole quantum leap of variations more than in chess, I think. Extremely difficult for computers to calculate, since the variation tree is extremely wide. Game play is less dynamic, more static, and thus very different. I never really got deeper into it. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-10-15, 07:19 AM	#7
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Never played 'Go' but have spent many an hour watching people play on street corners and coffee shops whilst in Asia __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-10-15, 01:30 PM	#8
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,711 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	There are subset games of Go, one of the most popular is Gomoku. It involves placing 5 Go stones in a row before your opponent can place his 5 in a row. The play is very simple, the game is diabolical. Here is some information about the game: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gomoku For those of you who want to have a "go" at the game, here is a link to an online version of the game: http://gomoku.yjyao.com/ Be forewarned: the game can be frustrating, even at the novice level. It can also be extremely addictive; I have spent many hours playing a flash version I downloaded some time back... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

01-10-15, 07:46 PM	#10
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,711 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	You're very welcome... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

01-10-15, 04:23 AM	#2
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Chess, checkers, backgammon... still alive and well. Played by millions. Same with poker. Being analysed to death means nothing to 99% of the existing players.