What the heck!?

Wolferz · 05-13-14, 05:49 AM

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...meless-n103786

Flamebatter90 · 05-13-14, 05:52 AM

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But Daytona Beach Police Chief Mike Chitwood said the Jimenezes had been warned one week earlier to stop their weekly feeding sessions after local residents complained that some homeless people gathering in the park were defecating and urinating on the grounds, and that some were showing up drunk at dawn.

That's why.

Jimbuna · 05-13-14, 06:05 AM

Seems a bit harsh on first reading but seeing the quote above and that below I can now understand why.

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"We as a city have spent millions of dollars to turn that park into a place for families, kids and dog lovers," Chitwood said. "We have an ordinance that says when people want to perform acts of kindness or charity that they must coordinate with our local social service agencies.

"They were told (the previous Wednesday) that if they come back there, they would be cited and they could risk going to jail," Chitwood said. "There is a segment of the homeless population that is homeless by choice. I don't want to impugn them all. But some are homeless because they are sex offenders, substance abusers and bank robbers. That's why we ask (Good Samaritans) to coordinate with our social service agencies, because they know who needs to be served."

fireftr18 · 05-13-14, 07:24 AM

From time to time, I see an article about something similar. After more information comes out, there's always something involved that has nothing to do with the act itself, but the negative consequences of the chosen venue. No one can argue about feeding the homeless, but when a family oriented park is damaged and needs considerable cleaning as a result, then there is a problem.

Rockstar · 05-13-14, 07:32 AM

It appears now its not so much about feeding the homeless. They seem more interested in drawing attention to themselves. Bunch of self righteous nincompoops.

AVGWarhawk · 05-13-14, 08:21 AM

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Jimenez, 52, a retired auto parts store manager. She and her husband, 60, a retired construction manager, operate New Smyrna Beach-based ministry called “Spreading the Word Without Saying a Word.”

They should spread the word(food) at their house. It is a nice act of kindness but the park was not created for food festivals. Churchs host food pantries and soup kitchens on church property. I suspect, if asked, a local church would provide a place weekly to host this event on their property.

The issue here is if a blind eye is turned on this event it sets a precedence for free-for-all-will.

Wolferz · 05-13-14, 08:40 AM

One would think that a park would have comfort stations for the hungry to use.
I bet many of the dog owners don't pick up after their pets defecate and urinate.

I think it's just another case of those who don't want to see the homeless and starving anywhere near them. A town in Virginia kicked their homeless people to the curb, or rather to a facility on the outskirts of town where they were for all intents and purposes imprisoned and not allowed to leave unless they were going to work or interview for a job or get medical care. So much for freedom, eh?

Oh well. Too bad for them I guess. That's why I'm of the opinion that you're only as free as your wallet will allow.

Maybe they should send in a few railroad dicks to beat the crap out of those defecating hobos.

AVGWarhawk · 05-13-14, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz

One would think that a park would have comfort stations for the hungry to use.
I bet many of the dog owners don't pick up after their pets defecate and urinate.

I think it's just another case of those who don't want to see the homeless and starving anywhere near them. A town in Virginia kicked their homeless people to the curb, or rather to a facility on the outskirts of town where they were for all intents and purposes imprisoned and not allowed to leave unless they were going to work or interview for a job or get medical care. So much for freedom, eh?

Oh well. Too bad for them I guess. That's why I'm of the opinion that you're only as free as your wallet will allow.

Maybe they should send in a few railroad dicks to beat the crap out of those defecating hobos.

Comfort station for the hungry?

Here in my county the homeless beggers had gotten so bad a law was passed for panhandling. $500.00 or jail. Those begging were getting very aggressive with people. At malls, shopping centers and street corners. When do you call it a problem? The next day after the begging law was past not one begger was seen or has been seen since. The park in this case is park to play and enjoy. Not feed the hungry. These two should host the gathering at their house or local church.

Onkel Neal · 05-13-14, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz

I think it's just another case of those who don't want to see the homeless and starving anywhere near them. A town in Virginia kicked their homeless people to the curb, or rather to a facility on the outskirts of town where they were for all intents and purposes imprisoned and not allowed to leave unless they were going to work or interview for a job or get medical care. So much for freedom, eh?

Well, when one is asking for assistance, they do not get to dictate where, when, how. Beggars can't be....choosers.

Wolferz · 05-13-14, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Well, when one is asking for assistance, they do not get to dictate where, when, how. Beggars can't be....choosers.

I beg your pardon.

Oh No! What do these guys want?

Unhand me!

CCIP · 05-13-14, 11:57 AM

I've had some pretty unpleasant experiences with homeless people in Florida city parks. Honestly, I think the problem is partially that apparently everyone will stand up for rights of everyone to use public land, but actual organized, publically-funded space for homeless people is "communism" and is bad. Sorry, but 99% of homelessness is disgusting and shameful. Homeless people shouldn't be in a first world nation's city parks, period, and it's important for everyone to contribute to doing something rather than complain about it and make cheap PR. I support the fine in this case, but I also support better and more extensive use of taxpayer money to actually set up better management of this kind of thing - there's lots of good, working models for this around the world.

Wolferz · 05-13-14, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

I've had some pretty unpleasant experiences with homeless people in Florida city parks. Honestly, I think the problem is partially that apparently everyone will stand up for rights of everyone to use public land, but actual organized, publically-funded space for homeless people is "communism" and is bad. Sorry, but 99% of homelessness is disgusting and shameful. Homeless people shouldn't be in a first world nation's city parks, period, and it's important for everyone to contribute to doing something rather than complain about it and make cheap PR. I support the fine in this case, but I also support better and more extensive use of taxpayer money to actually set up better management of this kind of thing - there's lots of good, working models for this around the world.

The government tried a little program called government housing. The tenants turned them into grassless slums rife with crime. Many of the buildings have since been torn down and no new ones were built. It might have been better to house these people in FEMA trailer parks. They have lots of trailers just sitting in a field somewhere. There's also much that could be done to house the homeless using shipping containers. Right Neal?

Or we could send them to district 9.

I'll be fine as long as nobody tries to steal my refrigerator box and my Wal-Mart shopping cart.

Wolferz · 05-13-14, 12:34 PM

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Comfort station for the hungry?

Just a polite term for a toilet facility.
He who eats does need to dump the waste products.

The homeless were probably seen defecating on the grounds because they couldn't get past the homosexuals to reach a toilet stall. Just as well. There is never any striking paper in there anyhoo.

AVGWarhawk · 05-13-14, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz

Just a polite term for a toilet facility.
He who eats does need to dump the waste products.

Stop feeding them. Problem solved.

Wolferz · 05-13-14, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Stop feeding them. Problem solved.

FEMA camp? I hear they have the guillotines installed and ready to use.

05-13-14, 05:49 AM	#1
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05-13-14, 08:40 AM	#7
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	And you wonder why I'm cynical... One would think that a park would have comfort stations for the hungry to use. I bet many of the dog owners don't pick up after their pets defecate and urinate. I think it's just another case of those who don't want to see the homeless and starving anywhere near them. A town in Virginia kicked their homeless people to the curb, or rather to a facility on the outskirts of town where they were for all intents and purposes imprisoned and not allowed to leave unless they were going to work or interview for a job or get medical care. So much for freedom, eh? Oh well. Too bad for them I guess. That's why I'm of the opinion that you're only as free as your wallet will allow. Maybe they should send in a few railroad dicks to beat the crap out of those defecating hobos. __________________ Tomorrow never comes

05-13-14, 11:57 AM	#11
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I've had some pretty unpleasant experiences with homeless people in Florida city parks. Honestly, I think the problem is partially that apparently everyone will stand up for rights of everyone to use public land, but actual organized, publically-funded space for homeless people is "communism" and is bad. Sorry, but 99% of homelessness is disgusting and shameful. Homeless people shouldn't be in a first world nation's city parks, period, and it's important for everyone to contribute to doing something rather than complain about it and make cheap PR. I support the fine in this case, but I also support better and more extensive use of taxpayer money to actually set up better management of this kind of thing - there's lots of good, working models for this around the world. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

05-13-14, 07:32 AM	#5
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	It appears now its not so much about feeding the homeless. They seem more interested in drawing attention to themselves. Bunch of self righteous nincompoops.