This will penetrate all remaining defences against business spionage

Skybird · 11-22-13, 07:13 AM

Windows 10 set to become a closed, cloud-based OS.

That means companies' IT-structures get remote-controlled by servers by MS. In the US. Defence is impossible since the penetration takes place by launching the OS already.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/d...em_Rumour.html

Why am I preaching since years against first testing balloons being accepted by a careless consumers? This ^ is why. Its not just privacy and advert targeting anymore. It's about business spionage of so far unknown dimensions.

Profiteer: the place where the servers are. Which is which country...?

MH · 11-22-13, 07:57 AM

Long live linux then....

I don't think Microsoft is so suicidal besides the article is very sketchy.

Jimbuna · 11-22-13, 08:09 AM

Can't see it happening...Microsoft would be risking all their eggs in the same basket.

Skybird · 11-22-13, 08:19 AM

Actually they are trailing behind in this trend. Apple does it like this since long time, imprisoning its customers in the closed and locked appleverse. Android is a closed OS. Amazon's Kindle is closed. Consoles more and more have moved for this way of gaming. Social networks. And of course the googleverse.

Let'S face it, it is the general trend: closed, remote controlled OS.

And their stubborness with W8 and 8.1 demonstrates that they have no intention to give it up.

fireftr18 · 11-22-13, 09:07 AM

I don't see it happening. Computers are heavily used in places where there is no reliable internet connection or where there is none at all.

Skybird · 11-22-13, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fireftr18

I don't see it happening. Computers are heavily used in places where there is no reliable internet connection or where there is none at all.

I would disagree with that statement's conclusion. The lucrative market is the developed world, the business places , the economy and industry, the players in the developed countries, consumer households.

The occasional notebook you see in the centre of the Kalahari means nothing.

And you would not believe me in what god-forsaken places I have seen satellite telephones already in the early and mid-90s.

Catfish · 11-22-13, 03:09 PM

This is not the only joke, MS Exchange will be cloud-based from 1/2014 on.

Yes, all your precious eMails along with the managing tools for it will be in 'the cloud'. The NSA gave information on german companies to US ones since decades, so imagine what will happen now..
I just wonder which meds some US people take, to have that level of delusion ..

Our company just ordered the last Small business server with Exchange 2010 onboard, because there will be none after december 31st, 2013; the future Exchange 'server' will be completely cloud-based.

Same with Adobe b.t.w., you will now pay 4000 Dollars for the last complete suite version (CS6), and CS 7 will cost the same - annually. From 1/2014 on. You lend it temporarily, for this small price.

We are urgently searching for a replacement after the next 5 years, and I foresee golden times for Linux, and russian programmers and their software.

B.t.w. and a bit OT (lmao): LG TVs tell their company what you see, from inserted USB sticks, to streaming, to just watching ordinary programs. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technol...s-send-2815798

There is no privacy anymore. 'Brave new world' and '1984' - god you poor harmless authors had no idea of what was to come.

MH · 11-22-13, 11:53 PM

Android is closed?
Far from it.

zygoma · 11-23-13, 12:04 AM

Get used to hearing an updated voice (maybe Siri's?) quoting the oft-repeated and iconic line,
"I'm sorry, Dave, but I'm afraid I can't do that."

Besides, Bill Gates lied to me. He said that 256 kB or RAM should be enough to run any program

Red October1984 · 11-23-13, 01:11 AM

WINDOWS 98SE FOR LIFE!

Anyway, slow down. We haven't even had windows 9 yet. I don't see how we can accurately speculate on Windows 10.

However, the cloud IS becoming popular.

I don't trust the cloud.

the_tyrant · 11-23-13, 01:54 AM

The cloud is becoming popular because people like me are lazy as hell.

I use lync online: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/ly...103789571.aspx

Its 2$ per user per month, I switched to it because it is simply unbeatable price and effort wise.

In comparison, if I want to install lync myself, I own a license, but just look at the install guide:

http://gallery.technet.microsoft.com...-2012-9d6fe954

Nearly 200 pages and its "step by step for everyone"!

I can't even be bothered to run my own build server now, between a custom server for debugging python scripts and visual studio online, all my programming is going into the cloud. Using an image in Amazon EC2 and paying by the hour is so much easier than setting up my own server to manage it.

Now the thing is, do I bother to care if Microsoft or Amazon is reading my code. After all, I would love it if they can fix it for me!

The cloud is very attractive for small scale users, since rolling out your own infrastructure is too damned difficult (go read that Lync setup guide, thats why full time lync admins get paid good money).

Am I concerned about my code? You could say that, but at this point, i really can't care less, the convenience the cloud provides makes it a good choice for me.

Now its obvious that the cloud is really, really effective and a good choice for small users. After all, industrial espionage isn't really a concern for small home users.

One thing that is very interesting is the rise of private clouds, like the IBM cloud deployments:

http://www.ibm.com/cloud-computing/u...ate-cloud.html

Now the question is, would you trust someone that you know better to run your cloud deployment? Would you feel safer if it was a "Subsim cloud" instead of Amazon EC2?

PS: speculating on Windows 10 already? Come on man, Windows 8.1 is barely out and you are speculating 2 versions ahead

Skybird · 11-23-13, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MH

Android is closed?
Far from it.

Not closed like "shut down", but closed like "cocooned, encapsuled". Maybe my wording was wrong!?

Sailor Steve · 11-23-13, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red October1984

I don't trust the cloud.

Only a year ago when I downloaded music from Amazon I got a download box that showed the progress of the download. One day I got a message that I had to install the Cloud app, and from now on I had to go through the cloud app to download my music. I complained. They refunded my money from that purchase. I called them and said I didn't want my money back, they deserved it, I just wanted to not have to use the stupid cloud app.

They may have listened, or I may have just gotten used to it. Now when I purchase some music to download I get a page that says
"Your music has been saved to the Cloud.
1. Listen to your music on the cloud.
2. Download your music to your computer."

It's still annoying but it's a lot simpler now.

Skybird · 11-23-13, 09:53 AM

Tyrant,

the cloud is located in the US, becasue the servers are. For companies, having their computers remote-controllable from external clouds (=US spies), is no way to go for them. Its like banks having their safe mechanisms controlled by robbers in another country.

Google and MS can claim as much as they want that they do not cooperate with the US intel services. They do, 100% certain, and I take it for certain as well that the US services massively support what the British prime minister demanded from the British GCHQ: to "support business interests of the British industry".

In other words the governmental services are ordered to steal everything from foreign companies that is of value to own companies: financial papers, inventions, blueprints, formulas, development data.

If you store that in the cloud, or you have it in your own companies network - but that network depends on an OS that only exists in the cloud, located in the US - guess in whose hands control of you data ends.

I will run W7 to death, and then disconnect it from the web, and getting a second computer based on Linux and open Gnu-sofdtware and the like. It's clear. I will not increase but reduce my internet dependence and activities.

I'm loosing interest in all that anyway, slowly, but constantly. So it is more a question of timing anyway.

MH · 11-23-13, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Not closed like "shut down", but closed like "cocooned, encapsuled". Maybe my wording was wrong!?

I don know what you mean....in Android it is all up to you.
In the idiot proof mode its closed and for good reason.

What are you complaining here exactly?

Quote:

If you store that in the cloud, or you have it in your own companies network - but that network depends on an OS that only exists in the cloud, located in the US - guess in whose hands control of you data ends.

Do you really think that whoever cares about security will go along with it...if ever comes to this.

Cloud based OS ...

11-22-13, 07:13 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,604 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	This will penetrate all remaining defences against business spionage Windows 10 set to become a closed, cloud-based OS. That means companies' IT-structures get remote-controlled by servers by MS. In the US. Defence is impossible since the penetration takes place by launching the OS already. http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/d...em_Rumour.html Why am I preaching since years against first testing balloons being accepted by a careless consumers? This ^ is why. Its not just privacy and advert targeting anymore. It's about business spionage of so far unknown dimensions. Profiteer: the place where the servers are. Which is which country...? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-22-13, 08:09 AM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Can't see it happening...Microsoft would be risking all their eggs in the same basket. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

11-22-13, 08:19 AM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,604 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Actually they are trailing behind in this trend. Apple does it like this since long time, imprisoning its customers in the closed and locked appleverse. Android is a closed OS. Amazon's Kindle is closed. Consoles more and more have moved for this way of gaming. Social networks. And of course the googleverse. Let'S face it, it is the general trend: closed, remote controlled OS. And their stubborness with W8 and 8.1 demonstrates that they have no intention to give it up. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-22-13, 09:07 AM	#5
fireftr18 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,528 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	I don't see it happening. Computers are heavily used in places where there is no reliable internet connection or where there is none at all. __________________ Of all the forms of Martial Arts, Karaoke causes the most pain!

11-23-13, 12:04 AM	#9
zygoma Loader Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 84 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Get used to hearing an updated voice (maybe Siri's?) quoting the oft-repeated and iconic line, "I'm sorry, Dave, but I'm afraid I can't do that." Besides, Bill Gates lied to me. He said that 256 kB or RAM should be enough to run any program __________________ If it's long and dark green and its bite makes you scream, that's..... a Moray. 7/5 of adults don't understand fractions. I'm told that two things can be reliably predicted to fail with increasing age. The first is memory. I can't remember the other right now.

11-22-13, 07:57 AM	#2
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	Long live linux then.... I don't think Microsoft is so suicidal besides the article is very sketchy.

11-22-13, 03:09 PM	#7
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	This is not the only joke, MS Exchange will be cloud-based from 1/2014 on. Yes, all your precious eMails along with the managing tools for it will be in 'the cloud'. The NSA gave information on german companies to US ones since decades, so imagine what will happen now.. I just wonder which meds some US people take, to have that level of delusion .. Our company just ordered the last Small business server with Exchange 2010 onboard, because there will be none after december 31st, 2013; the future Exchange 'server' will be completely cloud-based. Same with Adobe b.t.w., you will now pay 4000 Dollars for the last complete suite version (CS6), and CS 7 will cost the same - annually. From 1/2014 on. You lend it temporarily, for this small price. We are urgently searching for a replacement after the next 5 years, and I foresee golden times for Linux, and russian programmers and their software. B.t.w. and a bit OT (lmao): LG TVs tell their company what you see, from inserted USB sticks, to streaming, to just watching ordinary programs. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technol...s-send-2815798 There is no privacy anymore. 'Brave new world' and '1984' - god you poor harmless authors had no idea of what was to come.

11-22-13, 11:53 PM	#8
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	Android is closed? Far from it.

11-23-13, 01:11 AM	#10
Red October1984 Airplane Nerd Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 6,243 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	WINDOWS 98SE FOR LIFE! Anyway, slow down. We haven't even had windows 9 yet. I don't see how we can accurately speculate on Windows 10. However, the cloud IS becoming popular. I don't trust the cloud. __________________

11-23-13, 01:54 AM	#11
the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	The cloud is becoming popular because people like me are lazy as hell. I use lync online: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/ly...103789571.aspx Its 2$ per user per month, I switched to it because it is simply unbeatable price and effort wise. In comparison, if I want to install lync myself, I own a license, but just look at the install guide: http://gallery.technet.microsoft.com...-2012-9d6fe954 Nearly 200 pages and its "step by step for everyone"! I can't even be bothered to run my own build server now, between a custom server for debugging python scripts and visual studio online, all my programming is going into the cloud. Using an image in Amazon EC2 and paying by the hour is so much easier than setting up my own server to manage it. Now the thing is, do I bother to care if Microsoft or Amazon is reading my code. After all, I would love it if they can fix it for me! The cloud is very attractive for small scale users, since rolling out your own infrastructure is too damned difficult (go read that Lync setup guide, thats why full time lync admins get paid good money). Am I concerned about my code? You could say that, but at this point, i really can't care less, the convenience the cloud provides makes it a good choice for me. Now its obvious that the cloud is really, really effective and a good choice for small users. After all, industrial espionage isn't really a concern for small home users. One thing that is very interesting is the rise of private clouds, like the IBM cloud deployments: http://www.ibm.com/cloud-computing/u...ate-cloud.html Now the question is, would you trust someone that you know better to run your cloud deployment? Would you feel safer if it was a "Subsim cloud" instead of Amazon EC2? PS: speculating on Windows 10 already? Come on man, Windows 8.1 is barely out and you are speculating 2 versions ahead __________________ My own open source project on Sourceforge OTP.net KGB grade encryption for the rest of us

11-23-13, 09:53 AM	#14
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,604 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Tyrant, the cloud is located in the US, becasue the servers are. For companies, having their computers remote-controllable from external clouds (=US spies), is no way to go for them. Its like banks having their safe mechanisms controlled by robbers in another country. Google and MS can claim as much as they want that they do not cooperate with the US intel services. They do, 100% certain, and I take it for certain as well that the US services massively support what the British prime minister demanded from the British GCHQ: to "support business interests of the British industry". In other words the governmental services are ordered to steal everything from foreign companies that is of value to own companies: financial papers, inventions, blueprints, formulas, development data. If you store that in the cloud, or you have it in your own companies network - but that network depends on an OS that only exists in the cloud, located in the US - guess in whose hands control of you data ends. I will run W7 to death, and then disconnect it from the web, and getting a second computer based on Linux and open Gnu-sofdtware and the like. It's clear. I will not increase but reduce my internet dependence and activities. I'm loosing interest in all that anyway, slowly, but constantly. So it is more a question of timing anyway. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.