[REQ] Possible to stabilize only the UZO ?

Magic1111 · 02-28-11, 04:28 PM

Hi Folks !

Is it possible, to stabilize ONLY the UZO in game ?

And I mean NOT the option in the "Game-Option-Menu" before start the game. In the "Game-Option-Menu" I´ve set to "non-stabilize" (set the hook), because I want that ONLY the two scopes are non-stabilize ! And I want the UZO-View stabilize !

I think it must be an setting in the file "cameras.cam" ?!

Can anybody help me please ?

Best regards,
Magic

Sepp von Ch. · 02-28-11, 04:38 PM

Why Magic1111? The only reason there were problems by stormy sea with finding of mast height, but in the new TDW´s UI version you can choose "send mast height to TDC"

Magic1111 · 02-28-11, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Josef von Posorschitz

Why Magic1111? The only reason there were problems by stormy sea with finding of mast height, but in the new TDW´s UI version you can choose "send mast height to TDC"

It´s historically correct, because the UZO is mounted generally cushioned and has as compared to the two periscopes the advantage of rolling and pitching of the boat is far less impact heavily on visibility.

Best regards,
Magic

Trevally. · 02-28-11, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Josef von Posorschitz

but in the new TDW´s UI version you can choose "send mast height to TDC"

This still requires an angle from water to mast

TheDarkWraith · 02-28-11, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevally.

This still requires an angle from water to mast

Yes it does. All that clicking send mast height to TDC does in SOAN is set the mast height for the game. You don't have to have a unit selected in the rec manual anymore to set mast height with this.
If you don't have a unit selected then clicking the use stadimeter in the XO TDC dialog box will do nothing. You have to use the mast height button above the TDC range dial.

Trevally. · 02-28-11, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

Yes it does. All that clicking send mast height to TDC does in SOAN is set the mast height for the game. You don't have to have a unit selected in the rec manual anymore to set mast height with this.
If you don't have a unit selected then clicking the use stadimeter in the XO TDC dialog box will do nothing. You have to use the mast height button above the TDC range dial.

Thanks TDW, thats what I though

02-28-11, 06:19 PM

Not everyone uses TDW's mod.
And Magic1111 did not specify if he is useing any Mods.

Sledgehammer427 · 02-28-11, 06:24 PM

actually, all you need to do is mod out the realism percentage docked when you choose to have the stabilization on.

if memory serves me right, the periscopes were stabilized, and if you were on a boat, that was pitching and rolling in the ocean, you would naturally stabilize the UZO yourself

Sailor Steve · 02-28-11, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Magic1111

It´s historically correct, because the UZO is mounted generally cushioned and has as compared to the two periscopes the advantage of rolling and pitching of the boat is far less impact heavily on visibility.

Can you show any documentations for that? Unless it's gyro-stabilized (which it isn't), cushioning shouldn't make any difference, except to dampen vibrations.

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Originally Posted by Sledgehammer427

if memory serves me right, the periscopes were stabilized,

How? The very reason they have the split-image rangefinder is because they couldn't be stabilized.

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and if you were on a boat, that was pitching and rolling in the ocean, you would naturally stabilize the UZO yourself

Again, how? Binoculars you hold in your hands. The UZO is locked into a bracket which is mounted to a stand, otherwise it couldn't send bearing information to the TDC.

Rongel · 03-01-11, 02:39 AM

How about the deck gun then? Was it stabilized? Because now it's fixed on the horizon and no wind speed or rolling or pitching can affect it. So can we un-stabilize it somehow? (I made a rant about this in the deck gun thread too, sorry for doubles!).

Sailor Steve · 03-01-11, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rongel

How about the deck gun then? Was it stabilized? Because now it's fixed on the horizon and no wind speed or rolling or pitching can affect it. So can we un-stabilize it somehow? (I made a rant about this in the deck gun thread too, sorry for doubles!).

No, no naval guns in WW2 were stabilized. Battleships had what was called a "Stable element", which used a gyroscope to delay firing until the ship was perfectly level, but no smaller vessels had this. The gunner had to fire "on the roll", just as they did in the days of sailing ships.

Magic1111 · 03-02-11, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Can you show any documentations for that?

I read this in many Literature about U-Boats and the description of an attack to an convoy in bad weather for example !

I read since more than 20 years U-Boat-Books...

Has nobody an idea ?

In SH3 it´s so simple....!

Best regards,
Magic

Sailor Steve · 03-02-11, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Magic1111

Has nobody an idea ?

In SH3 it´s so simple....!

In SH3 you have to use the 'Stabilized Periscopes' function, since there is no split-prism view that lets you move the two ship images until they touch. Either that or let the Weapons Officer do the work for you.

SH4 added the split-prism view, so it works as it did in real life. I would assume SH5 does the same.

Bilge_Rat · 03-02-11, 10:51 AM

It looks like the UZO was only stabilized for fore-and-aft motion, but not for side-to-side motion. I also question how effective it would be in very heavy seas since it is the crewman who has to keep the thing level:

By captain_joch at 2011-03-02

Magic1111 · 03-02-11, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

In SH3 you have to use the 'Stabilized Periscopes' function, since there is no split-prism view that lets you move the two ship images until they touch. Either that or let the Weapons Officer do the work for you.

SH4 added the split-prism view, so it works as it did in real life. I would assume SH5 does the same.

In SH3 there is a simple way to stabilize ONLY the UZO (by setting non-stabilize in menu-option):

I´ve open the file "cameras.dat" with S3D and go to Node "Dummy_Cam_UZO" and then to the child-node RestrictedRotation. On the right side I go to "Tight" and then I´ve the choice between "False" (non-stable) and "True" (stable) by setting the Hook !

Look:

The Result is, that the UZO is stable and the two scopes not !

I would like to make this in a similar way in SH5 and I need help, whether this possible in SH5 is too ?!

Best regards,
Magic

02-28-11, 04:28 PM	#1
Magic1111 Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Germany - Sailing on U-552 in North Atlantic Posts: 4,429 Downloads: 783 Uploads: 0	[REQ] Possible to stabilize only the UZO ? Hi Folks ! Is it possible, to stabilize ONLY the UZO in game ? And I mean NOT the option in the "Game-Option-Menu" before start the game. In the "Game-Option-Menu" I´ve set to "non-stabilize" (set the hook), because I want that ONLY the two scopes are non-stabilize ! And I want the UZO-View stabilize ! I think it must be an setting in the file "cameras.cam" ?! Can anybody help me please ? Best regards, Magic __________________

02-28-11, 04:38 PM	#2
Sepp von Ch. Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: In my U-552 and Tiger Posts: 1,732 Downloads: 788 Uploads: 0	Why Magic1111? The only reason there were problems by stormy sea with finding of mast height, but in the new TDW´s UI version you can choose "send mast height to TDC" __________________ *U-552* *Tiger* *IDF*

02-28-11, 06:24 PM	#8
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,908 Downloads: 287 Uploads: 0	actually, all you need to do is mod out the realism percentage docked when you choose to have the stabilization on. if memory serves me right, the periscopes were stabilized, and if you were on a boat, that was pitching and rolling in the ocean, you would naturally stabilize the UZO yourself __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

03-02-11, 10:51 AM	#14
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,855 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	It looks like the UZO was only stabilized for fore-and-aft motion, but not for side-to-side motion. I also question how effective it would be in very heavy seas since it is the crewman who has to keep the thing level: By captain_joch at 2011-03-02 By captain_joch at 2011-03-02 By captain_joch at 2011-03-02 __________________

02-28-11, 06:19 PM	#7
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Not everyone uses TDW's mod. And Magic1111 did not specify if he is useing any Mods.

03-01-11, 02:39 AM	#10
Rongel Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Finland Posts: 859 Downloads: 174 Uploads: 0	How about the deck gun then? Was it stabilized? Because now it's fixed on the horizon and no wind speed or rolling or pitching can affect it. So can we un-stabilize it somehow? (I made a rant about this in the deck gun thread too, sorry for doubles!).