Why is everything about this game so difficult?

JimmyS1985 · 09-28-13, 01:17 AM

So I tried installing the TDW UI mod. I'm guessing it only works from periscope view, because it definitely was not working when I walked around the ship?

So I exited and then decided to try it from periscope view, well instead of loading up the game normally, it Crashed to Desktop. Great, I gotta reinstall it and try modding all over again.

So I uninstall it.

I bought a dvd version of the game, that would install faster.

I load in the dvd and it doesn't give me the option to install, but it did say "Register" so I go to register, go on ubi.com's website and register the product to the best of my ability.

Pull back up the DVD and once again, the install feature of it is faded out, meaning I must not have properly done it.

Why can't it be like the Steam version of the game? I double click it and it starts installing automatically?

So this DVD version is useless, and the mods, even when Im sure I'm installing them 100% correctly, they don't show up. I need some modder to 1 on 1 with me so I can get the game to work right. I've modded games for over a decade, most of my games are modded. The only problem is this one is practically unplayable without boatloads of mods, and I really want to play it.

Im starting up another 3 hour installation of the game from my steam account, I don't know anything about getting the DVD version to load up. If anyone can please, offer me some help, that I'm badly in need of, please chime in this thread and help me go over each and every problem I'm having to get the game to working in a reasonable manner.

shaunlewis · 09-28-13, 03:56 AM

Hi,

I am pretty sure that the install button is greyed out if the install believes the game to be installed, most likely due to registry entries left behind by the steam install.

If you are sure the uninstaller ran to completion, and you have restarted your computer after, perhaps it might be worth running the registry mode of ccleaner or something similar - often when I uninstall software and I run ccleaner, some registry entries are left behind; they are usually harmless but they might be causing a problem while trying to install two different versions of the same game.

With regards to the mods, I noticed in the screenshot that you posted in another thread that you had activated the New UIs scope directory (the one that is labelled in 7.5.0 as 'do not activate', I'm unsure about 7.4) and your mod order appears to be incorrect.

Are you following a list?

Kind Regards.

Feuer Frei! · 09-28-13, 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyS1985

So I tried installing the TDW UI mod. I'm guessing it only works from periscope view

? Works from all views.
Not suggesting you are incompetent, far from it, but have you checked the d/l ui mod from TDW? Specifically, inside the folder? It catches a lot of people out because the d/l mod is NOT yet ready to be used by JSGME. You have to do some manual work, ie. inside folder is another folder.

Quote:

So I exited and then decided to try it from periscope view, well instead of loading up the game normally, it Crashed to Desktop. Great, I gotta reinstall it and try modding all over again.

Sounds to me like a bigger issue than the UI Mod. And why re-install? Unless you meant re-load mods in a correct loadout order?

Another thing, keep in mind, you may well of course be aware of this but the Genereic patcher by TDW is NOT compatible with the steam version of the game. Just letting you know is all.

JimmyS1985 · 09-28-13, 09:47 AM

Ok thanks for the heads up. I've modded lots of games in my time. I'll admit I'm not the best at it in that I've had trouble modding games that involved more than just double click the icon of the mod or put it in the correct folder.

Technically I do own SHIII (I got it for free in some deal for a different game, I forget how) and never played it. I like the visuals in SH5, and there is no game in my vast library of games, where I can sit back with a beer and just have some relaxing yet awesome fun, except for SH5. Even with the bugs I find myself very immersed in it, I get scared as all heck when my crewman yells out "Pressure hull damaged!" (I have the sound up high for voices in the game, so this really does kinda scare me unlike almost every other game I own) and at that moment in time I have no idea as to why. The all important hunt, and building up to the point you get to fire torpedos, just no game like this one.

Also true story, I once was heavily focusing on a destroyer after coming out of a British harbor at periscope depth. I was so heavily focused on the destroyer through my periscope, then all of a sudden, I hear the loud sound of propellers from INSIDE the sub. I thought "What the heck is that?" I rotate the periscope to the right, and I got the scariest moment I've ever gotten in all my video game life out of all the hundreds of video games I've played (which spans since 1988 when I was 3). A destroyer, LITERALLY 5 ft from my Periscope! (I had IRAI mod at the time). In other words I was dead in the water, the sea bed was right below my keel so I couldn't crash dive to hopefully get away from it either, and had to load up an old save.

I've been a member of this forum since SH5 was almost new. I am determined this time to get it working right. A correctly modded SH5 should be better than any of the other SH games so I'll update this thread as I run into more problems.

I bought the disc version so if there was a problem with the STEAM version, I could apply it to the disc. I now have the game installed in both steam and disc format, so I can mod both at the same time til I get one to work. STeam takes a hell of a lot longer to reinstall, and yes I was finding that only a reinstall would work with steam as simply installing JSGME was enough to make it CTD.

09-28-13, 11:38 AM

if you don't get the "install" option to reinstall the game it means you didn't uninstall it properly and there are leftover files that must be deleted before you can be allowed to reinstall the game.

go here and follow these instructions to properly uninstall the game: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=133290

JimmyS1985 · 09-28-13, 12:30 PM

Ok it seems having the disc version and a Steam version of the game is now screwing me over. I install the DVD version, and when I click "Play Game" it reverts me to my "Uplay" account. This then says "We'll now open up your Steam version of the game" and it starts DLC after I uninstalled the Steam version.

So here is my next idea, should I partition my hard drive, one with just this game on it, and the other with Steam on it, where a majority of my games are, so I can play my Steam games on the main part of the hard drive and just the Disc version of this game on the other?

I don't see anyway around this short of uninstalling Steam, or partitioning my harddrive and not even acknowleding to the disc or uPlay, that I have a steam version of the game. I even deleted the Steam version and it still knows I have the Steam version and automatically forces me to play that version of the game.

edit: Even tried logging into a rarely used Steam account that doesn't have the game on it, and it takes me to Steam's store page where I have the option to buy a 3rd copy of the game, also Steam.

Getting this game to work may require a larger hard drive, if I'm gonna have to partition it out to one without steam. Sure is a lot of work just to play one game, but I don't give up in the face of a daunting challenge like this too easily.

Update: Im now uninstalling the disc version, I'll read over the link. This will be about the 6th uninstall/reinstall of the game today, between my Steam account and Disc version of the game. I'll read over the uninstall guide.

Heres the problem I've been facing. It downloads the patches, and I think once they are all downloaded, it automatically links me to my Steam account and directs me to it there, or the store on my STEAM account that I didn't purchase the game on. So, if this doesn't work, I'm gonna uninstall Steam, damn the torpedos if I have to redownload my whole library of games again (Computer needs a reformat badly anyways).

gap · 09-28-13, 01:36 PM

Why don't you simply unistall the Steam installation of the game, keeping only the box version?

JimmyS1985 · 09-28-13, 01:40 PM

I uninstallled the STEAM version, then opened up an account on STEAM where I don't even own the game. Uplay automatically directs me to steam because it knows I own a copy on STEAM. If its not forcing me to download the STEAM version of the game, its only allowing me to buy a STEAM version online, it simply refuses to play the DVD version of the game I bought, no matter what I did.

I did a complete uninstall of the game, manually deleted all Ubi content and anything the game left behind from previous installs, and restarted the computer. Now Im loading it up again. I've been up nearly 24 hours working on this now, thank god for coffee.

The next thing Im gonna try is uninstalling Steam altogether. If that doesn't work, I may have to make a new Uplay account so Ubi doesn't even know I have a STEAM version under this profile.

gap · 09-28-13, 06:33 PM

Probably you have already done it, but I would proceed like this:

- unistall both copies of the game and the ubi launcher
- remove manually any SH5/UBI file which might remain on your HD
- clean your registry from SH5/ubi launcher installations' left-overs, using CC cleaner or a similar program.
- re-install only the boxed version of SH5

RevRaz · 09-28-13, 08:37 PM

Probably need to use a new UBI ID for the DVD version, since your other code is tied to Steam version.

gap · 09-28-13, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevRaz

Probably need to use a new UBI ID for the DVD version, since your other code is tied to Steam version.

I have reasons to belive that the DVD version would accept the same username/password as the Steam one.

plj · 09-29-13, 12:57 AM

What I have wondered: Since the steam and dvd version differ only in that the steam version needs to unpack it's .exe first, aren't the .exe's interchangable ? It seems to me that a steam install with dvd .exe should work fine ? (Well .. a 1.2 patch .exe ... dvd would be 1.0 :p)

Mikemike47 · 09-29-13, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plj

Since the steam and dvd version differ only in that the steam version needs to unpack it's .exe first, aren't the .exe's interchangable ?

If that was the case, then TDW would make a TDW patcher for Steam, too. TDW said something like too complicated or time consuming.

gap · 09-29-13, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plj

What I have wondered: Since the steam and dvd version differ only in that the steam version needs to unpack it's .exe first, aren't the .exe's interchangable ? It seems to me that a steam install with dvd .exe should work fine ? (Well .. a 1.2 patch .exe ... dvd would be 1.0 :p)

Yes, you are correct: a Steam copy of the game whose excutable is replaced with the one of the dvd version (patched with official patch 1.2), will still accept the old Steam username/password, and indeed will be fully compatible with the patcher by TDW

JimmyS1985 · 09-29-13, 01:22 PM

Alright Im gonna try this today. I got the DVD version installed, I had to make a new Uplay account specifically for it. I am redownloading all my Steam games now. Luckily my save for Skyrim didn't disappear, I had spent dozens of hours in that game building up my character and would have seriously been let down if I had to start a whole new character all over again.

Im gonna work on installing some mods today. Generic Patcher by TDW, do I install each of his mods in it individually?

Also apparently for the UI mod I need to install the dials in ONE of the folders with a mod. Apparently that one has several mods that came with one.

My sub is in the subpen at this moment so I'll be doing all of my installs while its docked.

I'll update this post as I run into problems.

edit: Actually I might try mighty fine crew mod, I need the one with the profiles of several crew members on the bottom. I think thats Mighty Fine Crew? Any ideas?

09-28-13, 01:17 AM	#1
JimmyS1985 Mate Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 53 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	Why is everything about this game so difficult? So I tried installing the TDW UI mod. I'm guessing it only works from periscope view, because it definitely was not working when I walked around the ship? So I exited and then decided to try it from periscope view, well instead of loading up the game normally, it Crashed to Desktop. Great, I gotta reinstall it and try modding all over again. So I uninstall it. I bought a dvd version of the game, that would install faster. I load in the dvd and it doesn't give me the option to install, but it did say "Register" so I go to register, go on ubi.com's website and register the product to the best of my ability. Pull back up the DVD and once again, the install feature of it is faded out, meaning I must not have properly done it. Why can't it be like the Steam version of the game? I double click it and it starts installing automatically? So this DVD version is useless, and the mods, even when Im sure I'm installing them 100% correctly, they don't show up. I need some modder to 1 on 1 with me so I can get the game to work right. I've modded games for over a decade, most of my games are modded. The only problem is this one is practically unplayable without boatloads of mods, and I really want to play it. Im starting up another 3 hour installation of the game from my steam account, I don't know anything about getting the DVD version to load up. If anyone can please, offer me some help, that I'm badly in need of, please chime in this thread and help me go over each and every problem I'm having to get the game to working in a reasonable manner.

09-28-13, 09:47 AM	#4
JimmyS1985 Mate Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 53 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	Ok thanks for the heads up. I've modded lots of games in my time. I'll admit I'm not the best at it in that I've had trouble modding games that involved more than just double click the icon of the mod or put it in the correct folder. Technically I do own SHIII (I got it for free in some deal for a different game, I forget how) and never played it. I like the visuals in SH5, and there is no game in my vast library of games, where I can sit back with a beer and just have some relaxing yet awesome fun, except for SH5. Even with the bugs I find myself very immersed in it, I get scared as all heck when my crewman yells out "Pressure hull damaged!" (I have the sound up high for voices in the game, so this really does kinda scare me unlike almost every other game I own) and at that moment in time I have no idea as to why. The all important hunt, and building up to the point you get to fire torpedos, just no game like this one. Also true story, I once was heavily focusing on a destroyer after coming out of a British harbor at periscope depth. I was so heavily focused on the destroyer through my periscope, then all of a sudden, I hear the loud sound of propellers from INSIDE the sub. I thought "What the heck is that?" I rotate the periscope to the right, and I got the scariest moment I've ever gotten in all my video game life out of all the hundreds of video games I've played (which spans since 1988 when I was 3). A destroyer, LITERALLY 5 ft from my Periscope! (I had IRAI mod at the time). In other words I was dead in the water, the sea bed was right below my keel so I couldn't crash dive to hopefully get away from it either, and had to load up an old save. I've been a member of this forum since SH5 was almost new. I am determined this time to get it working right. A correctly modded SH5 should be better than any of the other SH games so I'll update this thread as I run into more problems. I bought the disc version so if there was a problem with the STEAM version, I could apply it to the disc. I now have the game installed in both steam and disc format, so I can mod both at the same time til I get one to work. STeam takes a hell of a lot longer to reinstall, and yes I was finding that only a reinstall would work with steam as simply installing JSGME was enough to make it CTD. Last edited by JimmyS1985; 09-28-13 at 10:01 AM.

09-28-13, 12:30 PM	#6
JimmyS1985 Mate Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 53 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	Ok it seems having the disc version and a Steam version of the game is now screwing me over. I install the DVD version, and when I click "Play Game" it reverts me to my "Uplay" account. This then says "We'll now open up your Steam version of the game" and it starts DLC after I uninstalled the Steam version. So here is my next idea, should I partition my hard drive, one with just this game on it, and the other with Steam on it, where a majority of my games are, so I can play my Steam games on the main part of the hard drive and just the Disc version of this game on the other? I don't see anyway around this short of uninstalling Steam, or partitioning my harddrive and not even acknowleding to the disc or uPlay, that I have a steam version of the game. I even deleted the Steam version and it still knows I have the Steam version and automatically forces me to play that version of the game. edit: Even tried logging into a rarely used Steam account that doesn't have the game on it, and it takes me to Steam's store page where I have the option to buy a 3rd copy of the game, also Steam. Getting this game to work may require a larger hard drive, if I'm gonna have to partition it out to one without steam. Sure is a lot of work just to play one game, but I don't give up in the face of a daunting challenge like this too easily. Update: Im now uninstalling the disc version, I'll read over the link. This will be about the 6th uninstall/reinstall of the game today, between my Steam account and Disc version of the game. I'll read over the uninstall guide. Heres the problem I've been facing. It downloads the patches, and I think once they are all downloaded, it automatically links me to my Steam account and directs me to it there, or the store on my STEAM account that I didn't purchase the game on. So, if this doesn't work, I'm gonna uninstall Steam, damn the torpedos if I have to redownload my whole library of games again (Computer needs a reformat badly anyways). Last edited by JimmyS1985; 09-28-13 at 12:45 PM.

09-28-13, 03:56 AM	#2
shaunlewis Nub Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 3 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Hi, I am pretty sure that the install button is greyed out if the install believes the game to be installed, most likely due to registry entries left behind by the steam install. If you are sure the uninstaller ran to completion, and you have restarted your computer after, perhaps it might be worth running the registry mode of ccleaner or something similar - often when I uninstall software and I run ccleaner, some registry entries are left behind; they are usually harmless but they might be causing a problem while trying to install two different versions of the same game. With regards to the mods, I noticed in the screenshot that you posted in another thread that you had activated the New UIs scope directory (the one that is labelled in 7.5.0 as 'do not activate', I'm unsure about 7.4) and your mod order appears to be incorrect. Are you following a list? Kind Regards.

09-28-13, 11:38 AM	#5
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	if you don't get the "install" option to reinstall the game it means you didn't uninstall it properly and there are leftover files that must be deleted before you can be allowed to reinstall the game. go here and follow these instructions to properly uninstall the game: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=133290

09-28-13, 01:36 PM	#7
gap Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: CJ8937 Posts: 8,215 Downloads: 793 Uploads: 10	Why don't you simply unistall the Steam installation of the game, keeping only the box version?

09-28-13, 01:40 PM	#8
JimmyS1985 Mate Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 53 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	I uninstallled the STEAM version, then opened up an account on STEAM where I don't even own the game. Uplay automatically directs me to steam because it knows I own a copy on STEAM. If its not forcing me to download the STEAM version of the game, its only allowing me to buy a STEAM version online, it simply refuses to play the DVD version of the game I bought, no matter what I did. I did a complete uninstall of the game, manually deleted all Ubi content and anything the game left behind from previous installs, and restarted the computer. Now Im loading it up again. I've been up nearly 24 hours working on this now, thank god for coffee. The next thing Im gonna try is uninstalling Steam altogether. If that doesn't work, I may have to make a new Uplay account so Ubi doesn't even know I have a STEAM version under this profile.

09-28-13, 06:33 PM	#9
gap Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: CJ8937 Posts: 8,215 Downloads: 793 Uploads: 10	Probably you have already done it, but I would proceed like this: - unistall both copies of the game and the ubi launcher - remove manually any SH5/UBI file which might remain on your HD - clean your registry from SH5/ubi launcher installations' left-overs, using CC cleaner or a similar program. - re-install only the boxed version of SH5

09-28-13, 08:37 PM	#10
RevRaz Seaman Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: So Cal Posts: 40 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Probably need to use a new UBI ID for the DVD version, since your other code is tied to Steam version.

09-29-13, 12:57 AM	#12
plj Captain Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 542 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	What I have wondered: Since the steam and dvd version differ only in that the steam version needs to unpack it's .exe first, aren't the .exe's interchangable ? It seems to me that a steam install with dvd .exe should work fine ? (Well .. a 1.2 patch .exe ... dvd would be 1.0 :p)

09-29-13, 01:22 PM	#15
JimmyS1985 Mate Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 53 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	Alright Im gonna try this today. I got the DVD version installed, I had to make a new Uplay account specifically for it. I am redownloading all my Steam games now. Luckily my save for Skyrim didn't disappear, I had spent dozens of hours in that game building up my character and would have seriously been let down if I had to start a whole new character all over again. Im gonna work on installing some mods today. Generic Patcher by TDW, do I install each of his mods in it individually? Also apparently for the UI mod I need to install the dials in ONE of the folders with a mod. Apparently that one has several mods that came with one. My sub is in the subpen at this moment so I'll be doing all of my installs while its docked. I'll update this post as I run into problems. edit: Actually I might try mighty fine crew mod, I need the one with the profiles of several crew members on the bottom. I think thats Mighty Fine Crew? Any ideas?