Skybird, big brother is watching you too!!

eddie · 07-20-13, 10:34 PM

Looks like Germany is using the same program like the NSA! You are being watched, so be on your best behavior!

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_n...e-program?lite

garren · 07-20-13, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by eddie

Looks like Germany is using the same program like the NSA! You are being watched, so be on your best behavior!

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_n...e-program?lite

New World Order. I'm sure Germany wasn't the only one that's collaborated with the US.

Red October1984 · 07-21-13, 12:14 AM

Again, why are you people surprised?

I saw this coming! Heck, the NSA has the Echelon Satellite system that picks up all electronic communications. If they bother to do that....somebody is listening!

I bet a lot of countries are doing similar things.

Cybermat47 · 07-21-13, 01:02 AM

The time has come to don the ancient tin-foil hats of our ancestors.

the_tyrant · 07-21-13, 02:09 AM

Don't scare the man, we might give him a heart attack!

I always wondered what the Stasi had on its files about skybird (east German troublemaker, or west German agitator)

Skybird · 07-21-13, 05:04 AM

I am neither surprised nor shocked. Didn't I say repeatedly that the german government knows about all this, and that foreign intel services of thew Allies are given special rights in Germany due to post WWII laws? Prism and Tempora in the end are just the next stage of programs like Echelon which have overheard telephone communication in all Europe, North Africa and far into the Warsaw Pact already during the cold war. Echelon was said to automatically record almost all telephone communication, radio communication, and probably communication that went via satellites. Internet was not a focus back then, obviously.

And yes, the BND strongly cooperates with the NSA.

We celebrate the holy mass of elections again over here in 2 months, thats why they make a big show of these "revelations".

For all communication people consider to be sensitive or risky for the sender or receiver, I can only recommend: stay away from electronic stuff, completely. Even if you encrypt your mails, you draw attention to yourself because most email traffic today is not encrypted. And if you think it cannot be decrypted if only you pout some effort and technical power behind it, then you better think again. Using the anonymity of public spaces and cryptic language also doe snot fully protect you, since it gets recorded nevertheless and their filters will sort it out and at least tell them that at least something is going on. All automatically, by AI algorithms, pattern recognition and other software. If you think that human personnel and the limited numbers of staff are a factor, you again better think twice.

What is recorded gets stored, forever, and even if it is not used against you today, you do not know what laws the futures brings. The treasure chest of recporded data is there. One day I might be used against you. By tax authorities. By lawyers or the press. Insurers. Police. Employers. They all have appetite for these data. They all have lobbyists working for them. And the politicians remain to stay as corrupt and powerhungry as ever.

Its like the female actress who is successful in films in her 40s, and then has her image haunted by that early teenage sin movie she shot for a porn company when she was young and unknown and needed the money. That sin never was forgotten, but only slept. Today's data society never forgets nothing.

Wolferz · 07-21-13, 06:39 AM

u crank · 07-21-13, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

The time has come to don the ancient tin-foil hats of our ancestors.

I got my collection out and all shined up.

Oberon · 07-21-13, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

The time has come to don the ancient tin-foil hats of our ancestors.

Jimbuna · 07-21-13, 08:25 AM

Wolferz · 07-21-13, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

So does mine...

With a tad more style.

u crank · 07-21-13, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

What is recorded gets stored, forever, and even if it is not used against you today, you do not know what laws the futures brings. The treasure chest of recporded data is there. One day I might be used against you. By tax authorities. By lawyers or the press. Insurers. Police. Employers. They all have appetite for these data. They all have lobbyists working for them. And the politicians remain to stay as corrupt and powerhungry as ever.

I read something the other day that I thought was interesting. Thirty years ago you took a picture of your family, maybe friends at a party or something a little racy. Chances are it ended up in a shoe box at the back of a closet. Today the same picture is posted on the web within minutes. New age, new rules.

STEED · 07-21-13, 12:59 PM

Sky, that bomb you wanted in blue I've only got it in red.

Lot of fuzz cars outside all of a sudden after posting this.

Its only a water bomb officer...

soopaman2 · 07-21-13, 01:31 PM

If big brother had a nationality, he would be German.

After all they run the Euro Cartel. Have sway over soveriegn nations. (ask the PIIGS)

China is a Strawman, a mere distraction, Germany owns the EU.

The Euro currency, doing to Europe with bankers what Hitler couldn't do with Type VIIs and Tiger tanks.

Congrats! You found a new angle for world conquest, this is the 4th time you guys did this. (Destroyed Rome, WW1, WW2, now the great banking takeover.

The last one is genius, no one ever prosecutes or even messes with a banker, the key to the world is yours.

Mr Quatro · 07-21-13, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

If you think that human personnel and the limited numbers of staff are a factor, you again better think twice.

It would be impossible for people to do anything more than the computer can do ... All humans can do is read what the computer has flagged ...

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Its like the female actress who is successful in films in her 40s, and then has her image haunted by that early teenage sin movie she shot for a porn company when she was young and unknown and needed the money. That sin never was forgotten, but only slept. Today's data society never forgets nothing.

Could you please provide examples of your analogy

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eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	Skybird, big brother is watching you too!! Looks like Germany is using the same program like the NSA! You are being watched, so be on your best behavior! http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_n...e-program?lite

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Red October1984 Airplane Nerd Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 6,243 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	Again, why are you people surprised? I saw this coming! Heck, the NSA has the Echelon Satellite system that picks up all electronic communications. If they bother to do that....somebody is listening! I bet a lot of countries are doing similar things. __________________

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the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	Don't scare the man, we might give him a heart attack! I always wondered what the Stasi had on its files about skybird (east German troublemaker, or west German agitator) __________________ My own open source project on Sourceforge OTP.net KGB grade encryption for the rest of us

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,612 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I am neither surprised nor shocked. Didn't I say repeatedly that the german government knows about all this, and that foreign intel services of thew Allies are given special rights in Germany due to post WWII laws? Prism and Tempora in the end are just the next stage of programs like Echelon which have overheard telephone communication in all Europe, North Africa and far into the Warsaw Pact already during the cold war. Echelon was said to automatically record almost all telephone communication, radio communication, and probably communication that went via satellites. Internet was not a focus back then, obviously. And yes, the BND strongly cooperates with the NSA. We celebrate the holy mass of elections again over here in 2 months, thats why they make a big show of these "revelations". For all communication people consider to be sensitive or risky for the sender or receiver, I can only recommend: stay away from electronic stuff, completely. Even if you encrypt your mails, you draw attention to yourself because most email traffic today is not encrypted. And if you think it cannot be decrypted if only you pout some effort and technical power behind it, then you better think again. Using the anonymity of public spaces and cryptic language also doe snot fully protect you, since it gets recorded nevertheless and their filters will sort it out and at least tell them that at least something is going on. All automatically, by AI algorithms, pattern recognition and other software. If you think that human personnel and the limited numbers of staff are a factor, you again better think twice. What is recorded gets stored, forever, and even if it is not used against you today, you do not know what laws the futures brings. The treasure chest of recporded data is there. One day I might be used against you. By tax authorities. By lawyers or the press. Insurers. Police. Employers. They all have appetite for these data. They all have lobbyists working for them. And the politicians remain to stay as corrupt and powerhungry as ever. Its like the female actress who is successful in films in her 40s, and then has her image haunted by that early teenage sin movie she shot for a porn company when she was young and unknown and needed the money. That sin never was forgotten, but only slept. Today's data society never forgets nothing. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	If big brother had a nationality, he would be German. After all they run the Euro Cartel. Have sway over soveriegn nations. (ask the PIIGS) China is a Strawman, a mere distraction, Germany owns the EU. The Euro currency, doing to Europe with bankers what Hitler couldn't do with Type VIIs and Tiger tanks. Congrats! You found a new angle for world conquest, this is the 4th time you guys did this. (Destroyed Rome, WW1, WW2, now the great banking takeover. The last one is genius, no one ever prosecutes or even messes with a banker, the key to the world is yours. __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.