Two perspectives on Israel

[Skybird]

LINK: Sweden:

To the 20,000 members of Sweden’s Jewish community, anti-Semitism has become a growing problem. Jews identifiable by dress or otherwise have suffered threats and violence.

The Jewish community center in the city of Malmo was fire-bombed and its cemetery desecrated.

This comes after worrying political signals. Malmo’s mayor stated that “[w]e accept neither anti-Semitism nor Zionism in Malmo” and openly advised the Jewish community that they would gain protection from violence and problems if they “distance themselves from Israel.”

Malmö is a European hotspot and notorious trouble zone regarding Islamic racism and hate crime against Jews. A significant part of the Jewish community has fled from that area in the past 10 years, due to violence and racism coming from growing numbers of Islamic "migrants". Sweden traditionally reacts to Muslim bullying with appeasement and following a heavily biased anti-Israel course diplomatically, while by lip-confessions claiming the opposite. But it is the deeds that count to me, not the lip confessions.

LINK Canada:

Why is it in the interest of Muslims in Canada to recognize Israel's rights to exist? This was the question posed by a speaker in a seminar in Mississauga a couple days ago arranged by the Canadian Thinkers' Forum.

Muslim Committee against anti-Semitism under the umbrella of Canadian Thinkers' Forum put together speakers from Muslim, Christian and Jewish Diaspora in terms of finding the way to convince Islamic nations to recognize Israel's rights to exist.

The Muslim Committee has a simple answer that none of the Jews, Christians, Muslims and other religious or non-religious people in the Middle East are willing to die except groups like Hamas trained terrorists and suicide bombers.

A rare signal of reason and sanity on an issue that seems to be beyond reason and sanity.

Originally Posted by Skybird

LINK: Sweden:

Malmö is a European hotspot and notorious trouble zone regarding Islamic racism and hate crime against Jews. A significant part of the Jewish community has fled from that area in the past 10 years, due to violence and racism coming from growing numbers of Islamic "migrants". Sweden traditionally reacts to Muslim bullying with appeasement and following a heavily biased anti-Israel course diplomatically, while by lip-confessions claiming the opposite. But it is the deeds that count to me, not the lip confessions.

LINK Canada:

A rare signal of reason and sanity on an issue that seems to be beyond reason and sanity.

I am very pleased to see that about Canada, and am highly against racism in any form. Being in the Navy has taught me many things (coming from a very 'hick' area with 'hick' views), and one of them is that peoples color and background do not matter, it is their actions that define the person.

As far as the threats and the appeasement, I can't say much since I have never been to Sweden but I will say its things like these that need to be stamped out. As well as the other end of the spectrum which is, "our race/religion/people/etc. were abused in years past we want a compensation." I feel like both sides contribute to the growing divide, which is sad. I feel for those people and what past they have endured and even the present Hell they may live in, but to state that you deserve more because of the way you are/were treated is to me extremely arrogant. There will always be people who do not understand your way of life or your thought process due to your background, and you know what you do, accept it, get over it, and keep trying to be a better you than you were yesterday.

I hope that does not offend anyone, just my two cents. If you are a hardworking, honest, and truthful person, you are more than alright in my book.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by USNSRCaseySmith

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I hope that does not offend anyone, just my two cents.

And even if it would - no need to apologize for your opinion as long as you can show reasonable argument to base it upon. That somebody feels offended cannot be an argument to censor opinions and free speech.

[MH]

Yes , everyone need to have perspective on Israel.

[Skybird]

Possible policy change with Obama, now demanding Palestinian Arabs to unconditionally recognize Israel as a Jewish state, without backdoors?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-jewish-state/

[MH]

If those are not just hollow speeches then there may be a hope for some resolution here.

It about time for Obama to undo his early mistakes on the whole issue.
Someone should had make it clear for Palestinians long time ago that they cant have both ways....that is two Palestinian states next to each other.
(issue of refugees is bound with the Jewish state thing)

Off course with the ME situation it would be also very risky to have totally independent Palestinian state without the IDF paroling its Jordan valley border next to kingdom of Jordan.
I wonder if king Abdala of Jordan would like such situation arise

Anyway im not too optimistic but that is (another) start that hopefully will not end with IDF needing to take Rammalh or declaring blockade of west bank.
That is if current government will pursue this idea at all which i hope it will but carefully.

[AlanBStard]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Malmö is a European hotspot and notorious trouble zone regarding Islamic racism and hate crime against Jews. A significant part of the Jewish community has fled from that area in the past 10 years, due to violence and racism coming from growing numbers of Islamic "migrants".

Actually, just about any Swede or European who lives in Malmö will flee if given the opportunity, except for those who live in the very expensive areas (like Limhamn) inhabited by Malmös wealthiest. Fleeing across the Öresund straights to neighbouring Copenhagen in Denmark will decrease your risk of getting mugged by 75% (as of 2006, probably more by now).

Originally Posted by Skybird

Sweden traditionally reacts to Muslim bullying with appeasement and following a heavily biased anti-Israel course diplomatically, while by lip-confessions claiming the opposite. But it is the deeds that count to me, not the lip confessions.

Hogwash on 2 accounts:
1) Forget about lip confessions, there are none. The Swedish government is open about it's stance against Israel (although not quite as outspoken as 10 years ago) just as it was openly against South Africa during their apartheid regime.
2) Sweden's anti-Israel stance is because of the Israeli apartheid regime. If by Muslim bullying you mean the robberies and rapes commited by MENA (Middle East+North Africa+Somalia) immigrants, the government doesn't even care about the sky rocketing crime rates, so they don't change their foreign policy to appease the criminals. The policy has been the same since long before immigration from MENA countries turned our suburbs to crime infested ghettoes.

[Cybermat47]

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[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

What an entrance!

That guy....just picked an argument with Skybird.....

Sorry new guy...you are going to be locked in an intense battle very soon.

P.S. Welcome to Subsim.

[Skybird]

To complain about Israel'S "apartheid" but apparently having no objections to Israel'S enemy claiming the right to destroy Israel, use of terrorism, stepping back from all temporary negotiation agreements in a bid to get all what it wants without needing to compromise, and not complaining much about the immense terrorism Israel has faced and still faces, says which thinking's brainchild the debator is. And it is this die-hard one-sided bias that forgives the attacker all and accuses the victim of everything that has made Sweden so famous for itsr anti-Israeli views even by the standards of the already quite anti-Israeli EU-policies. Naturally, they have no problem with the racism and hate-dripping education young Palestinian Arabs get raised with at all. But dare to have a cartoon posted that offends precious Muslim sensitivity! Swedish voices were amongst the most prominent and loudest recommending Europe to act with more self-censorship when using their freedom of speech.

Before lecturing Israel about its lacking right for self-defense, maybe better try to stop the many incidents of physical harassments and attacks of Muslims against Jews in and around Malmö. Malmö is one of the hotspots of European Muslim racism and racism-founded refusal to integrate. so if no longer only the Jews flee from there, but native Swedish non-Jews as well, this is no surprise.

Google search on "Sweden anti Israel" or something like that will quickly reveal the full scale of Sweden's stand on Israel. Sweden is probably the strongest European ally of ME radical islam and radical Arabs in the ME, maybe beside France. And let'S not be mistaken, this anti-Israeli position bases in full on clear and true anti-Jewish sentiments as well. The level of antisemitism in Sweden is only compared by researchers to that found in the traditional antisemitic social-political spectrum of Germany and Austria.

Just three random links of so many possible to put up here:

http://swedenisrael.blogspot.de/2013...t-swedish.html

http://ilyameyer.com/english/2013/03...unrwa-schools/

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/author/ilya-meyer/

The truth is quite simple. Sweden in principle wants Israel being wiped off the map and shake hands with the Arabs over the accomplished task. That, plain and simple. Thus the many political advices, one-sided demands and recipes given for how to commit cultural and national suicide, demonizing Israel all the way. It is about turning back the clocks by 70 years.

To complain about Israel'S "apartheid" but apparently having no objections to Israel'S enemy claiming the right to destroy Israel, stepping back from all temproary negotiation agreements in a bid to get all what it wants withiout needing to compromise, and not complaining much about the immense terrorism Israel has faced and still faces, says which thinking'S brainchild the debator is. And it is this die-hard one-sided bias that forgives the attacker all and accuses the victim of everything that has made Finland, Sweden so famous for their anti-Israelic views even by the standards of the already quite anti-Israeli EU-policies.

Lesson 1 Alan B'stard.
Always expect the amazing attack of the strawman
Lesson 2.
Expect a series of links that are as unbised as a Hamas publication

[MH]

Is there apartheid in Israel?
That is something you should've start with.
If it is then it is also in germany sweeden and so on....

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by MH

Is there apartheid in Israel?
That is something you should've start with.
If it is then it is also in germany sweeden and so on....

yah, for some reason people are always very quick to find faults in Israel, but conveniently overlook all the human rights abuses in all other countries in the ME. Funny how that works...

yah, for some reason people are always very quick to find faults in Israel, but conveniently overlook all the human rights abuses in all other countries in the ME. Funny how that works...

Which people?
What is funny about the way it works is those people who fault only one side be it the israeli side or the palestinians, or those that queue up to defend the very things they condemn depending on which country is doing exactly the same thing.

[Skybird]

After the terror blast on a bus in Hungary, Germany seems to be part of a very small minority in Europe that demands that the Hezbollah finally is being pout on the EU terror list. Most are against it. They fear that this move would make it difficult for them to maintain talks with this terror organization that without discrimination targets civilian people, and does not shy away to put its own people in harm'S way and force them with drawn weapons to serve as human shields and get them killed to score in the media propaganda war by having nice pictures of the bodies. That does nto stop most European politicians from wantin g to shake hands with these murderers.

The argument often given is that Hezbollah runs a recruiting program deceiving itself as social wellfare, and that even when its school teach blatant hate and murder and demonization of Jews and diffamation of Christians, they nevertheless are schools.

Well, if you enter a bank and shoot the staff and steal the money and distribute it to the poor and unemployed, your act nevertheless is that of a robbery and murder and yourself still fit the description of a murderer.