Catholic Transparency...

[Skybird]

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... or: how amongst equals, some are more equal than others.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-876612.html

I have complained so often about that religions in general and the church in special want to put themselves aside from the usual general laws valid for everybody else. Here, the charges are about rape and abuse in hundreds of cases - and the church claims right to decide when enough research has been done, wants to decide what info is to be revealed and what not, wants to decide on the results and charges being published or not, and to what degree, wants to dictate the rules by which prosecutors and analysts shall do their criminalistic work?

It seems the bishops and the church once again do what they always do best: being rimless anusses whose size only gets exceeded by the ammount of their arrogance and righteousness, the diameter of their glorioles, and the monumental shadows cast by their perfectly complacent egos.

Oh you holy ones, I spit in your faces, you bigot hypocritical parasitic scum.

Experts and analysts familiar with the matter of pedophilia and sexual abuse in the church say the opposition in the church to independent research is enormous, since the number of "incidents" is far greater than is being mentioned in public debate, and also threatens the church'S status of being able to evade criminal law due to regulations that rule that church law is equal to and in parts superior to the state's law. That'S why criminal investigations against priests often get supressed and the church is allowed to move the suspect silently away.

Every ordinary citizen being suspect in a case of rape and pedophilia would be made feeling the full strength of the law and police procedures.

Why I am so enraged? I know one family that is effected by these crimes, directly. They are totally shocked by today's news. And they are furious, like hundreds of rape victims are across the country, no doubt.

The suspect brought to court over charges and in prinmciple already has confessed guilty, demands to decide on the judges, the laws, and the final verdict.

Lesson of the story: it pays off better to be a swine than an ordinary animal.

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[GoldenRivet]

in fairness it appears they canceled an independent research group's research and investigation (which the church was funding) they did not cancel any official state sponsored investigation (as they have no power to do so) any state sponsored investigation and research would continue unabated if i understand the article correctly

[AVGWarhawk]

It's always the Catholics in the news concerning sexual abuse. From what I understand the Rabbis are busy with it in their own right. I wonder why not much is mentioned about it? Maybe it is the news sources I read.

[Cybermat47]

They should be ashamed of themselves. They claim to be men of God, but they rape children, and promote homophobia.

Skybird, let's go to the Vatican and spit on their faces

[Penguin]

I know someone who works for the Catholic Church in Germany who was on a job training about sexual abuse. The church representative said that in case anyone of the workers discover abuse, they should report it first to the church so they can deal with it internally first.
They all shook their heads and replied among: "Ehhm, no way! We would actually commit a criminal offense if we didn't immediately report any sign of abuse to the authorities!"

The internal control worked very well for this German priest, who was send to to South Africa after his abuse became public, of course only for job reasons. So well that he still receives 800 Euro per month from the church, they certainly look out for their sheep.
http://www.express.de/duesseldorf/ge...,17267354.html German source only, sorry
@sky: I know there are better sources, but this article includes all the important details, you'll find many other articles about this man

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

It's always the Catholics in the news concerning sexual abuse. From what I understand the Rabbis are busy with it in their own right. I wonder why not much is mentioned about it? Maybe it is the news sources I read.

A reason is certainly that they have less surpressed sexuality as they are allowed to marry, same goes for Protestant priests.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

in fairness it appears they canceled an independent research group's research and investigation (which the church was funding) they did not cancel any official state sponsored investigation (as they have no power to do so) any state sponsored investigation and research would continue unabated if i understand the article correctly

No, the "cooperation" was brokered by political demand after the church got under severe pressure "to do something about it", the head of the institute is a known face over here and often an advisor to the media over commenting on legal and criminalistic procedures, and the research task force consists of former crime investigators, judges and researchers for several laywer offices.

In other words it already starts that charges for rape and pedophile abuse in hundreds of cases got not handed over to the state attorney and the police, but thechurch was allowed to once again "save its face" by making it all a non-official deal that was presented as something that got voluntarily initiated by the church - which it never was: the took so much flak that they had no other chance than to give in to the demand which in principle was a public relations coup on their behalf.

The real scandal is that there is no state attorney and no police raiding the churches offices, and still no sexual offenders in priest's cloathes being arrested and serving prison time. Double standards in the justice system.

Some weeks ago, I have not taken too much note of it, another bishop in Germany already had unilaterally declared another, more localised investigation initiative as successfully ended. Consequences: none. Arrests: none. Names mentioned: none.

This is law-evasion by criminal offenders and rapists, and this is conspiracy to hide them. In other words: it is organised crime.

That religious claims are enough to make you immune from legal prosecution, and give you the right to live by your own, self-made laws, is outraging. It does not matter which religion it is, and the context also does not matter. The law has to be valid for and in case of crime has to be enforced against everybody, on the fundament of equality, no matter whether the subject is rich or poor, believer or secularist or non-believer. Banker or flower girl, priest or atheist: it must not matter.

The Catholic church law, and religions special tax status must be abandoned. Same is true regarding Jewish and Muhammeddan equivalents (parallel and underground justice systems are undermining the legal system, and the police say they actively help organised crime as well as crime and violence in private homes by hiding it).

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Penguin

I know someone who works for the Catholic Church in Germany who was on a job training about sexual abuse. The church representative said that in case anyone of the workers discover abuse, they should report it first to the church so they can deal with it internally first.
They all shook their heads and replied among: "Ehhm, no way! We would actually commit a criminal offense if we didn't immediately report any sign of abuse to the authorities!"

The internal control worked very well for this German priest, who was send to to South Africa after his abuse became public, of course only for job reasons. So well that he still receives 800 Euro per month from the church, they certainly look out for their sheep.
http://www.express.de/duesseldorf/ge...,17267354.html German source only, sorry
@sky: I know there are better sources, but this article includes all the important details, you'll find many other articles about this man



A reason is certainly that they have less surpressed sexuality as they are allowed to marry, same goes for Protestant priests.

Ah. Its all about nursing the offender and protecting the institutions' prestige. The victims, their lives: leave them to the waste disposal service. By the hundreds, if not thousands.

Late 2010, I think, m there was this church guy on TV, bishop, or priest or whatever he was, a fool in hilarious cloathing, and he said that now it had been enough of attacking the abusers, and that now the time should have come when Christian forgiveness takes over and the anger is being settled peacefully. That forgiving is a Christian duty.

I almost imploded back then in outrage.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Forgiving is a Christian duty.

It is, but these people can hardly call themselves Christian if they shelter paedophiles.

[Armistead]

One of the best debates ever with the late Chris Hitchens and Fry debating against Catholic leaders..

"Is the Catholic Church a force for good"

[HundertzehnGustav]

Originally Posted by Skybird

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Oh you holy ones, I spit in your faces, you bigot hypocritical parasitic scum.
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signed,
Angel Bob Léon

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Armistead

"Is the Catholic Church a force for good"

Or, in other words, "Does the Messiah encourage paedophilia and homophobia?"

I have nothing against Catholics, but the Vatican is just stupid. I'm pretty sure that our Lord would want his people to donate that massive wealth to starving children, not use it to buy stupid robes. Honestly. Those robes have turned my religion into a joke.

[HundertzehnGustav]

you mean the Robes, or the clothes?
Or both?

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

you mean the Robes, or the clothes?
Or both?

Probably both

It is, but these people can hardly call themselves Christian if they shelter paedophiles.

How can you say that?
The bible says....
"Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not"

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

How can you say that?
The bible says....
"Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not"

You're trusting the Bible!?

To misquote Terrance Dicks:

The homophobes and paedophiles had tinkered with it and souped it up over the years, until it was capable of a remarkable degree of discrimination and hypocrisy.

And I know you were joking, but the bible just TICKS ME OFF!