Texas leaving!?!

eddie · 11-14-12, 09:55 PM

Well, it looks like Texas has had enough. Election is over and they're leaving the Union!! Have sent a petition to the White House with enough signatures to have it reviewed! Along with 6 or 7 other states too!

It wasn't long ago when Russell Means made the announcement that the Souix Nation was seceding, and everyone thought he was crazy, and he was!! But this isn't much better either. Leaving the Union, yeah right.

http://news.msn.com/politics/seven-s...-white-house-3

Red October1984 · 11-14-12, 10:12 PM

I don't know what to make of this. It's sad...

Hopefully it sends a message to our stupid government.

Oberon · 11-14-12, 10:19 PM

Texas has been trying to secede before it was cool.

11-14-12, 10:31 PM

I will sell my house (That I just paid off) and move to the first State that bails from the craphouse!

CaptainMattJ. · 11-14-12, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by privateer

I will sell my house (That I just paid off) and move to the first State that bails from the craphouse!

Good luck with that one. I'd love to see how fast things decline without federal revenue in these states, and then how fast they want to rejoin.

Oberon · 11-14-12, 10:39 PM

Honestly though, 100,000 signatures out of a state that has 25,700,000 people in it, that's 0.003% of the population.

Louisana, Florida, North Carolina, Alabama, Georgia and Tennesse have a combined population of 54,252,834 (2011 approx), and although the article isn't clear about whether it was a combined collection of signatures from all six, or 30,000 each, I think we can easily say that it's a very low percentage, but for those who are still doubtful I will run the math:

Combined:
0.0006% (and I had to work that out on Google calculator because Win7s calculator took one look at it and laughed)

30k signatures each:
0.003%

That's a crazy low number, so honestly, expect this to generate as much concern for the White House as a child throwing a pebble at a tank.

Only in the wet dreams of idiots and radicals would states secede from the US, no matter how loud the crazies are that make it seem like civil war is an inevitable outcome. For every one crazy, there are at least 100,000 normal people who are, if not happy, then not radical about the current situation and are carrying on with their lives.

Red October1984 · 11-14-12, 11:00 PM

It's just the fact that people are considering secession that's sad.

If America will come to an end, it should be in one piece.

Takeda Shingen · 11-14-12, 11:06 PM

People have been considering succession from the United States since the nation was formed. This is nothing new.

mookiemookie · 11-14-12, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984

It's just the fact that people are considering secession that's sad.

It's not "people" considering secession. It's a minority of a minority of extremists who are throwing a toddler foot-stomping tantrum over losing a fair and democratic election. This isn't about any message, it's about being a sore loser. Actually, scratch that. It's not about being a sore loser. It's about being a raving yubba-esque lunatic.

And Oberon - your numbers are overstating the actual number of Texas residents who have signed this petition. People from other states have signed it, also. So it's probably more like 0.0015% of the population.

em2nought · 11-14-12, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

Good luck with that one. I'd love to see how fast things decline without federal revenue in these states, and then how fast they want to rejoin.

Maybe they'll ship all the malingerers back to the entity that created them.

Feld Grau · 11-14-12, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

That's a crazy low number, so honestly, expect this to generate as much concern for the White House as a child throwing a pebble at a tank.

Only in the wet dreams of idiots and radicals would states secede from the US, no matter how loud the crazies are that make it seem like civil war is an inevitable outcome. For every one crazy, there are at least 100,000 normal people who are, if not happy, then not radical about the current situation and are carrying on with their lives.

Various sources are reporting the number of petitions for secession is around 700,000 throughout the entire country now. So,that comes out to be roughly 1 person for secession for every 450 not for secession.

http://politics.gather.com/viewArtic...81474981756922

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness… it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security" - Thomas Jefferson

Not saying I endorse what these people are calling for,but I sure as hell dont endorse how things presently are either.

11-15-12, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

For every one crazy, there are at least 100,000 normal people who are, if not happy, then not radical about the current situation and are carrying on with their lives.

Crazy is ONLY determined by the majority of any given group.
What if the majority is wrong?
How can you determine who is actually the crazy people?
I'm pretty sure that when the 'Crazy people' in this part if the World decided to kick the king and his men out there was someone spouting the same nonsense.
Thier arses were booted down the road and our Country toughed it out to become a Super power.
That Super Power needs a mind shift or better yet? A boot up the arse to get back on track.

By the way Mate.
I'm not Crazy.
I'm mad as a Hatter!!
Get it right!

Sailor Steve · 11-15-12, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by privateer

I'm pretty sure that when the 'Crazy people' in this part if the World decided to kick the king and his men out there was someone spouting the same nonsense.

Nobody "decided" to kick the King out. People protested and protested some more, but they didn't talk about leaving. When the Governors asked for troops people protested, but they didn't talk about leaving. When the legislatures argued with the Governors and the Governors disbanded the legislatures, the legislatures met in the pubs, but they didn't talk about leaving. The legislatures protested to the King and the King told them they'd take it and they'd like it, the protests got hot, but they still didn't talk about leaving. The King's soldiers opened fire on local militias (and the other way 'round) and they still didn't talk about leaving.

It wasn't until they'd been at war for almost a year that it finally sank in that there was no other choice at all that the states and finally the country as a whole finally said they'd had enough.

What would Texas really gain by this? What some people think is the right thing to do and what the people as a whole end up doing are not always the same thing. We'll see.

Hottentot · 11-15-12, 01:19 AM

So wait, please explain to a dumb foreigner: suppose this succeeds. Texas is no more part of the United States? It becomes a what? An independent nation of Texas? And the international community is going recognize it just like that?

gimpy117 · 11-15-12, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

It's not "people" considering secession. It's a minority of a minority of extremists who are throwing a toddler foot-stomping tantrum over losing a fair and democratic election. This isn't about any message, it's about being a sore loser. Actually, scratch that. It's not about being a sore loser. It's about being a raving yubba-esque lunatic.

And Oberon - your numbers are overstating the actual number of Texas residents who have signed this petition. People from other states have signed it, also. So it's probably more like 0.0015% of the population.

Agree.

It's kinda funny how some people can't stand democracy when it doesn't go their way.

But then again coming from the party that likes to legislate on personal beliefs rather than legal ideas....

11-14-12, 09:55 PM	#1
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	Texas leaving!?! Well, it looks like Texas has had enough. Election is over and they're leaving the Union!! Have sent a petition to the White House with enough signatures to have it reviewed! Along with 6 or 7 other states too! It wasn't long ago when Russell Means made the announcement that the Souix Nation was seceding, and everyone thought he was crazy, and he was!! But this isn't much better either. Leaving the Union, yeah right. http://news.msn.com/politics/seven-s...-white-house-3 __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

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Red October1984 Airplane Nerd Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 6,243 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	I don't know what to make of this. It's sad... Hopefully it sends a message to our stupid government. __________________

11-14-12, 11:00 PM	#7
Red October1984 Airplane Nerd Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 6,243 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	It's just the fact that people are considering secession that's sad. If America will come to an end, it should be in one piece. __________________

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Hottentot Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: My private socialist utopia of Finland Posts: 1,918 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	So wait, please explain to a dumb foreigner: suppose this succeeds. Texas is no more part of the United States? It becomes a what? An independent nation of Texas? And the international community is going recognize it just like that? __________________ Хотели как лучше, а получилось как всегда.

11-14-12, 10:19 PM	#3
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Texas has been trying to secede before it was cool.

11-14-12, 10:31 PM	#4
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I will sell my house (That I just paid off) and move to the first State that bails from the craphouse!

11-14-12, 10:39 PM	#6
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Honestly though, 100,000 signatures out of a state that has 25,700,000 people in it, that's 0.003% of the population. Louisana, Florida, North Carolina, Alabama, Georgia and Tennesse have a combined population of 54,252,834 (2011 approx), and although the article isn't clear about whether it was a combined collection of signatures from all six, or 30,000 each, I think we can easily say that it's a very low percentage, but for those who are still doubtful I will run the math: Combined: 0.0006% (and I had to work that out on Google calculator because Win7s calculator took one look at it and laughed) 30k signatures each: 0.003% That's a crazy low number, so honestly, expect this to generate as much concern for the White House as a child throwing a pebble at a tank. Only in the wet dreams of idiots and radicals would states secede from the US, no matter how loud the crazies are that make it seem like civil war is an inevitable outcome. For every one crazy, there are at least 100,000 normal people who are, if not happy, then not radical about the current situation and are carrying on with their lives.

11-14-12, 11:06 PM	#8
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	People have been considering succession from the United States since the nation was formed. This is nothing new.