California man linked to anti-Islam film denies violating probation

Gerald · 10-10-12, 04:50 PM

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(Reuters) - A California man linked to an anti-Islam film that stoked violent protests in the Muslim world denied on Wednesday he had violated his probation on a fraud conviction, and was sent back to jail until his case can be heard on its merits.The Egyptian-born man, who has been known publicly as Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, denied in court committing eight probation violations, including lying to officials over the scope his role in the film and using aliases.

A crudely made 13-minute video attributed to the man, who appeared in court on Wednesday under the name Mark Basseley Youssef, was filmed in California and circulated online under several titles including "Innocence of Muslims."

It portrays the Prophet Mohammad as a fool and a sexual deviant, and sparked a torrent of anti-American unrest in Arab and Muslim countries last month. The violence coincided with a separate attack on U.S. diplomatic facilities in Benghazi that killed four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya.

As outrage against the film mounted, U.S. authorities said they were not investigating the film itself.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8991L220121010

Note: Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:30pm EDT

Cybermat47 · 10-10-12, 07:03 PM

Please give him 20-40 years!

yubba · 10-10-12, 08:46 PM

Just a scape-goat, this matter is laughable at best,, got bigger fish to fry, white house is getting its lies in to order. It was just bad intel,,, hell it worked for Bush,..

August · 10-10-12, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Please give him 20-40 years!

For what? Probation violation or because he made a video that pissed off a bunch of people?

Skybird · 10-10-12, 08:53 PM

If there was a case of probation violation, he must face the legal consequence for it. For it - and not for anything more. Else if bad movie making would become a punishable crime, than most of Hollywood would end up in prison.

Oberon · 10-10-12, 08:58 PM

August is right, if they clapped this guy up, they'd have to lock up the Westboro lot too, although that wouldn't be a great loss.
You apply freedom of speech, you have to apply it across the board, from those insulting a foreign religion, to those calling for the death of their own countries soldiers, to those calling for the president to be killed.

I do wonder if we'd have that kind of tolerance here in the UK, given all the controversy over Twitter in recent months.

August · 10-10-12, 09:41 PM

Can a video, any video not necessarily this one, be considered a hate crime? If so what would be the requirements for such?

Cybermat47 · 10-10-12, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by August

For what? Probation violation or because he made a video that pissed off a bunch of people?

Because he made a video that pissed off a lot of people, who were so pissed off that they killed four people, and had riots in several major cities that wounded yet more people.

That's why.

Cybermat47 · 10-10-12, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

August is right, if they clapped this guy up, they'd have to lock up the Westboro lot too, although that wouldn't be a great loss.

So do it.

August · 10-10-12, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Because he made a video that pissed off a lot of people, who were so pissed off that they killed four people, and had riots in several major cities that wounded yet more people.

That's why.

So in other words all your enemies have to do is cause some riots and hurt or kill some people and they can make your country jail it's own citizens? I mean that's really what you're saying here.

What else could they make you do?

Cybermat47 · 10-10-12, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by August

So in other words all your enemies have to do is cause some riots and hurt or kill some people and they can make your country jail it's own citizens? I mean that's really what you're saying here.

What else could they make you do?

This is what I hate about arguing with smart people.

CaptainMattJ. · 10-10-12, 11:29 PM

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So do it.

Oh the irony. the very same principles you want this man jailed for are the same reason we have modern science, and everything that it brought including the internet and this very forum page. remember how the church felt about Galileo, Darwin, Copernicus. Not only did they further the scientific world tremendously, but it started to chip away at church power and it's influence on the world. And it pissed ALOT of people off. They WERE jailed, killed, banned from publishing. Only with sustained effort did they get anything published. I mean, imagine if no one could say anything that offended anyone else. Nothing would EVER get done.

The fact that Muslims decided to riot over a stupid movie is the real problem here. Why does a silly movie give them the right to kill and pillage. Its ridiculous. The fact that someone made an offensive video using a thing that many free citizens enjoy called FREE SPEECH doesnt give people a free pass to do whatever they want in anger. its absurd.

Cybermat47 · 10-10-12, 11:31 PM

Eh. Most Christians (myself included) would gladly see Westboro locked up, but you make a good point there.

Sailor Steve · 10-10-12, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Because he made a video that pissed off a lot of people, who were so pissed off that they killed four people, and had riots in several major cities that wounded yet more people.

That's why.

So how is that his fault? Should no one ever do anything that might cause that kind of reaction?

Cybermat47 · 10-10-12, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Should no one ever do anything that might cause that kind of reaction?

No.

But, admittedly, he probably didn't intend that sort of reaction.

NOTE: My new rank is worse than being in the brig!

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	August is right, if they clapped this guy up, they'd have to lock up the Westboro lot too, although that wouldn't be a great loss. You apply freedom of speech, you have to apply it across the board, from those insulting a foreign religion, to those calling for the death of their own countries soldiers, to those calling for the president to be killed. I do wonder if we'd have that kind of tolerance here in the UK, given all the controversy over Twitter in recent months.