Happy War of 1812 Day.

[yubba]

JUNE 18 1812 I would have forgotten all about it if I hadn't heard about Canada making a coin to com mem errr rraatte it, So what is my country going to do to celebrate our freedom, haven't heard much from our Campaigner and Chief, not one word of how we defended our freedom and liberty from him or the liberal media, I am sick of wake-ing in the morning to ABCs Goodmorning Americas 15 minutes of what the royals are doing in England. I know I'll have to correct and edit this piece so don't blow a gasket. funny after 200 years we might, again have to fight for our freedom, hope the liberal slash loyalist got the stomach for it, I don't want hear it's not fair, whats fair, that you take from us and give to others, whats fair, that we put you in office and you don't represent us, whats fair that you stand in the way of my kids make-ing a lemonade stand, Its We The People, don't like it leave.

So what is my country going to do to celebrate our freedom,

Celebrate your freedom ???
Is this the war where they tried to take Canada but got their butts kicked and their trade devestated?

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Celebrate your freedom ???
Is this the war where they tried to take Canada but got their butts kicked and their trade devestated?

On the upside, the White House stopped being grey, and turned black and then white.

[yubba]

I stand corrected enjoy. funny I don't seem to speak with an English accsent or sound like Sean Connery or courtsey to the queen or bow or what ever you all do, Obama does enough of that, that must mean we kicked your butt twice, so we wanted aittle more room.

[Oberon]

1812 was a good year, the Canucks stayed loyal to the crown and Napoleon got his nether regions frozen off.



But this is the best song of 1812:




And Eiji Oue conducts it just perfectly, the best I've witnessed.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Celebrate your freedom ???
Is this the war where they tried to take Canada but got their butts kicked and their trade devestated?

That would be British Canada in 1812 it was a British colony at the time not a free nation and at that time territory used by an enemy of the United Sates so it was not a stupid strategy.Also the British where threatening American trade prior to the war and these actions where the primary cause of the conflict.

Actually the US was ill prepared for the start yet we did still win the war you don't have to win every battle:

"The War of 1812 gave a dramatic boost to the manufacturing capabilities of the United States. The British blockade of the American coast created a shortage of cotton cloth in the United States, leading to the creation of a cotton-manufacturing industry, beginning at Waltham, Massachusetts by Francis Cabot Lowell. The war also spurred on construction of the Erie Canal project, which was built to promote commercial links yet was also perceived as having military uses should the need ever arise.[22]
As the charter of the First Bank of the United States had been allowed to expire in 1811, the federal government was ill-prepared to finance the war and resorted to such expediencies as the suspension of specie payment and the issuance of Treasury Notes. These actions set a precedent for future Federal responses to financial crises. Also, this exposure of the nation's financial weaknesses explained in part the Congressional decision to charter the Second Bank of the United States in 1816. The readiness of Southern leaders especially John C. Calhoun to support such a measure also indicates a high degree of national feeling.[23] Perhaps the clearest sign of a new sense of national unity was the victorious Democratic-Republican Party, its long-time foes the Federalists vanished from national politics. The result was an Era of Good Feelings with the lowest level of partisanship ever seen.[24]
Canadians, however, contrasted their post-war economic stagnation to the booming American economy, which Desmond Morton believes led to the Rebellions of 1837.[25]"

In the end it was the actions of the British government that caused the war in the first place to protect its sovereignty the US had no choice but to declare war.The Canadian actions where not a success that is true.

Sean Connery is Scottish Yubba and if you do not like what is shown on Goodmorning America why are you watching it and the Uk has been our closet ally for a very long time 1812 is ancient history there is a value to knowing about it but to hold bitter feelings towards the UK still is..... well odd.

[yubba]

Scottish, British, it's still, ish. I don't hold bitter feelings towards the Brits, I hold bitter feelings toward people that are more loyal to the crown than the consitution, and I don't like the liberal/loyalist medias, love affair with Royality, only if we could have that here ooh my and because it comes on after the local news and I like to see a random act of journalism once in awhile, Oh by the way how are you coming along, on that prayer rug .

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Celebrate your freedom ???
Is this the war where they tried to take Canada but got their butts kicked and their trade devestated?

Don't make me refer you to my old thread in which I thoroughly refuted that argument.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Oberon

But this is the best song of 1812:




And Eiji Oue conducts it just perfectly, the best I've witnessed.

It is wonderful, but it has nothing to do with the 'War of 1812'.

This song, on the other hand:

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

It is wonderful, but it has nothing to do with the 'War of 1812'.

This song, on the other hand:

Well, it was A war in 1812... Besides, you declared war on us, and then our PM got shot...not the greatest timing...

Plus your song, as good as it is, lacks cannons

I'd like to think had we not been already at war with Boney we might have made more of a show of it, buuut given how well the war of Independence went for us I'd say that we'd still have been kicked out of the US

[yubba]

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by yubba

Scottish, British, it's still, ish. I don't hold bitter feelings towards the Brits, I hold bitter feelings toward people that are more loyal to the crown than the consitution, and I don't like the liberal/loyalist medias, love affair with Royality, only if we could have that here ooh my and because it comes on after the local news and I like to see a random act of journalism once in awhile, Oh by the way how are you coming along, on that prayer rug .

Eeeh, the Royals you can take or leave. To be quite honest I think a lot of people would prefer to be governed by HRH than the ConDems. Of course, it's been a long time since the 1640s, and I don't think the Royals would actually know what to do with such power, have a gin perhaps...

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by yubba

That song was written by an Englishman John Newton.

Furthermore Memorial Day is an American holiday Oberon and Tribesman are not Americans.

You should have said if your are a US citizen you had better remember why you get next Monday off.What disgusts me is that is in the US many retailers choose to have sales on Memorial Day and the weekend leading up to it that sends the wrong message.

http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1...w=1680&bih=935

For the UK and former Commonwealth they have Remembrance Day.

Why is everyone forgetting Francis Scott Key may I ask what about that poem and later song?There you have direct relation yet everyone thinks of a song written in 1959 when the US national anthem lyrics where inspired by an event during the War of 1812 of course it did not become the national anthem until 1931.

Furthermore Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture was written in 1880 while the music for The Star-Spangled Banner was written in 1780 making The Star-Spangled Banner the most closely related to the War of 1812 or or 1812 for that matter.1812 Overture is a very good piece of music though.

[yubba]

Well it needs to be international, less we forget, so we are not destend to repeat our mistakes.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by yubba

Well it needs to be international, less we forget, so we are not destend to repeat our mistakes.

That, Yubba, is something I think we can ALL agree on.