Yet another school shooting

Gargamel · 02-27-12, 09:55 AM

Students shot in Ohio school; suspect in custody

Sorry cant get the link to work from my phone, anybody?

I only post this because I work less than a mile from the school in Chardon. Used to be my us rival, (we used to steal the c off the sign

). Half our Plant shut down so parents could go check on their kids, as far as I know, all our families are ok.

Things like this are just gettIng ridiculous. I used to think just the prevalence of media was reporting more of them, not more shootings actually occurring. Now I think it's a vicious circle feeding itself. Kids see the reports, go shoot up a school, media reports, etc etc

I'm very pro 2nd amendment, but this type of thing was never intended What can be done?

GoldenRivet · 02-27-12, 09:59 AM

http://abcnews.go.com/US/chardon-hig...5#.T0uaL_X4JTk

the_tyrant · 02-27-12, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Gargamel

I'm very pro 2nd amendment, but this type of thing was never intended What can be done?

The problem lies with the students, not the guns
Trust me, without guns, the messed up people will do school stabbings, school bombings

kraznyi_oktjabr · 02-27-12, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by the_tyrant

The problem lies with the students, not the guns
Trust me, without guns, the messed up people will do school stabbings, school bombings

Very much this. Here in Finland (where btw are a lot weapons available) there have been just handful of school shootings and none of bombings (in my knowledge). Instead students use more traditional methods like stabbing.

CCIP · 02-27-12, 11:23 AM

I agree, taking away the guns doesn't necessarily take away the problems. Access to guns does make this kind of thing easier in some regard, but considering that bringing guns into schools or selling guns to minors is already illegal, it's not like further control measures will make it any more illegal.

Some would suggest that a big part of the fault for these lies with the media. Because of how much stories like this get sensationalized and spun, already-troubled and attention-hungry young people can come to the conclusion that this is their only way to take revenge, make a mark, disturb the rest of the society (which they've come around to hating). Like it or not, it's the public obsession with these stories that makes them "win" in the end.

krashkart · 02-27-12, 11:38 AM

A lot of variables in play. I wonder how hard it is for kids to open up to their parents these days. If I had kids I would certainly want them to feel comfortable with unloading their troubles on me when they need it -- at least that way I could help them through the rough spots. That stuff comes out one way or another; unfortunately it's these sorts of violent eruptions that have become so popular among the kids that have no other outlet.

Karle94 · 02-27-12, 11:56 AM

Personally I believe it will be much better if someone is shot, rather than stabbed. If you`re stabbed in the gut, you have a very slim chance of surviving, unless there`s a hospital in the immediate vecinity. If you`re shot on the other hand, all you have to do is cover up the wound and keep it clean, unless the gunshot killed the victim immedietly. A stab wound is so much bigger and will lead to a much bigger blood loss, almost guaranteeing a kill. Not to mention that stabbing is much more painful.

Sailor Steve · 02-27-12, 12:19 PM

I've never been stabbed or shot. Have you?

CCIP · 02-27-12, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I've never been stabbed or shot. Have you?

Indeed.

And Karle, consider the fact that most common civilian ammunition (unlike military) is hollow-point. I think to suggest that those make for clean, easy-to-treat wounds is a little misleading. Let alone if you are dealing with things like specialized ammunition or shotguns.

MH · 02-27-12, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by the_tyrant

The problem lies with the students, not the guns
Trust me, without guns, the messed up people will do school stabbings, school bombings

When you go stabbing you may be successful to score one or two victims before you get whacked in the head with a chair or ....
With guns it is a bit different but yes, messed up people are the problem in the same way as easy access to guns.

Ducimus · 02-27-12, 12:33 PM

I think parents bare some responsibility if they weren't keeping there firearms secure. I would mention safe firearm handling practices as well but clearly that doesn't come into play when the intent is unmistakable.

Of course, i also have to admit that when i was a kid, i knew exactly where the gun safe key was, and my dad didn't know that i knew.

edit: and yeah, remove firearms, and they'll just use something else. Knives, hatchets, bats, chains, clubs, kitchen knives, you name it, they'll use it if they really want to hurt someone.

Gargamel · 02-27-12, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karle94

Personally I believe it will be much better if someone is shot, rather than stabbed. If you`re stabbed in the gut, you have a very slim chance of surviving, unless there`s a hospital in the immediate vecinity. If you`re shot on the other hand, all you have to do is cover up the wound and keep it clean, unless the gunshot killed the victim immedietly. A stab wound is so much bigger and will lead to a much bigger blood loss, almost guaranteeing a kill. Not to mention that stabbing is much more painful.

Please, do not enter medicine. I have never been shot, been shot at. Have been stabbed , but only a glancing blow.

I have treated countless numbers of both, and it is far worse to be shot.

Ducimus · 02-27-12, 12:36 PM

Personally, and I don't know about anyone else, but I have a really BAD allergic reaction to cold steel and hot lead. I don't want either one entering my body.

Karle94 · 02-27-12, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gargamel

Please, do not enter medicine. I have never been shot, been shot at. Have been stabbed , but only a glancing blow.

I have treated countless numbers of both, and it is far worse to be shot.

Damn, that was my number one career choice.

Ducimus · 02-27-12, 12:44 PM

Karle94, what your missing here, is things like hydrostatic shock, velocity, and all those nfity techncial terms.

Watch this:

See that channel behind the bullet? That's the damage you can't see. That's what a round does to your internal organs if your hit in the chest or stomach.

There's a reason why exit wounds are larger the entry wounds.

A knife by compairson, while it will surely kill you if it hits a vital organ or artery, lacks this added effect.

02-27-12, 09:55 AM	#1
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	Yet another school shooting Students shot in Ohio school; suspect in custody Sorry cant get the link to work from my phone, anybody? I only post this because I work less than a mile from the school in Chardon. Used to be my us rival, (we used to steal the c off the sign ). Half our Plant shut down so parents could go check on their kids, as far as I know, all our families are ok. Things like this are just gettIng ridiculous. I used to think just the prevalence of media was reporting more of them, not more shootings actually occurring. Now I think it's a vicious circle feeding itself. Kids see the reports, go shoot up a school, media reports, etc etc I'm very pro 2nd amendment, but this type of thing was never intended What can be done? __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

02-27-12, 09:59 AM	#2
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	http://abcnews.go.com/US/chardon-hig...5#.T0uaL_X4JTk __________________

02-27-12, 11:23 AM	#5
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I agree, taking away the guns doesn't necessarily take away the problems. Access to guns does make this kind of thing easier in some regard, but considering that bringing guns into schools or selling guns to minors is already illegal, it's not like further control measures will make it any more illegal. Some would suggest that a big part of the fault for these lies with the media. Because of how much stories like this get sensationalized and spun, already-troubled and attention-hungry young people can come to the conclusion that this is their only way to take revenge, make a mark, disturb the rest of the society (which they've come around to hating). Like it or not, it's the public obsession with these stories that makes them "win" in the end. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

02-27-12, 11:38 AM	#6
krashkart Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,292 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	A lot of variables in play. I wonder how hard it is for kids to open up to their parents these days. If I had kids I would certainly want them to feel comfortable with unloading their troubles on me when they need it -- at least that way I could help them through the rough spots. That stuff comes out one way or another; unfortunately it's these sorts of violent eruptions that have become so popular among the kids that have no other outlet. __________________ sent from my fingertips using a cheap keyboard

02-27-12, 11:56 AM	#7
Karle94 The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Norseland Posts: 1,355 Downloads: 253 Uploads: 0	Personally I believe it will be much better if someone is shot, rather than stabbed. If you`re stabbed in the gut, you have a very slim chance of surviving, unless there`s a hospital in the immediate vecinity. If you`re shot on the other hand, all you have to do is cover up the wound and keep it clean, unless the gunshot killed the victim immedietly. A stab wound is so much bigger and will lead to a much bigger blood loss, almost guaranteeing a kill. Not to mention that stabbing is much more painful. __________________ Find my mods here: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/lzgciodldp58p/SH4_Mods My SH4 blog here: http://karle94.blogspot.com/

02-27-12, 12:19 PM	#8
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I've never been stabbed or shot. Have you? __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

02-27-12, 12:33 PM	#11
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I think parents bare some responsibility if they weren't keeping there firearms secure. I would mention safe firearm handling practices as well but clearly that doesn't come into play when the intent is unmistakable. Of course, i also have to admit that when i was a kid, i knew exactly where the gun safe key was, and my dad didn't know that i knew. edit: and yeah, remove firearms, and they'll just use something else. Knives, hatchets, bats, chains, clubs, kitchen knives, you name it, they'll use it if they really want to hurt someone.

02-27-12, 12:36 PM	#13
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Personally, and I don't know about anyone else, but I have a really BAD allergic reaction to cold steel and hot lead. I don't want either one entering my body.

02-27-12, 12:44 PM	#15
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Karle94, what your missing here, is things like hydrostatic shock, velocity, and all those nfity techncial terms. Watch this: See that channel behind the bullet? That's the damage you can't see. That's what a round does to your internal organs if your hit in the chest or stomach. There's a reason why exit wounds are larger the entry wounds. A knife by compairson, while it will surely kill you if it hits a vital organ or artery, lacks this added effect.