U864

She-Wolf · 05-07-11, 05:15 PM

Just watched a youtube video on the sinking of U864 which was torped by a British sub off Norway - so sad, made I cry for all submariners who lost their lives in the war.

Fish In The Water · 05-07-11, 06:10 PM

Care to share the link?

If so, thanks in advance!

frau kaleun · 05-07-11, 09:07 PM

I wonder if this is the same program that airs on History/HistIntl/Military channels. I've seen it a number of times, most recently this afternoon.

If so it's a combination of dramatic reenactment of the events of the boat's sinking and the modern day exploration of the wreck, in part to determine what environmental dangers it might pose due to the mercury on board.

Don't know any other sources for the story so I can't say how accurate the presentation is, but I find it compelling to watch.

FIREWALL · 05-07-11, 09:16 PM

Try this out for U-864

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...64&aq=3&oq=U-8

Looks like it has 5 episodes plus other stuff about U-864

ENJOY

Fish In The Water · 05-07-11, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

If so it's a combination of dramatic reenactment of the events of the boat's sinking and the modern day exploration of the wreck...

...I find it compelling to watch.

Roger that, would be most fascinating to watch...

Quite enjoyed James Cameron`s Expedition Bismarck, (watched it again the other day), so I`m pretty sure this would be compelling as well.

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Try this out for U-864

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...64&aq=3&oq=U-8

Looks like it has 5 episodes plus other stuff about U-864

ENJOY

Will do, (enjoy it that is), so thanks for the link!

She-Wolf · 05-08-11, 08:14 AM

apologies folk, I thought I had put the full title in so you could find it on YouTube, but clearly I did not. It is probably the one Firewall has linked, also called Hitlers Last Deadly Secret. Frau Kaleun it is exactly as you describe

Jimbuna · 05-08-11, 09:06 AM

The first and only time during WWII that a sub was destroyed by another sub whilst both were submerged.

http://uboat.net/boats/u864.htm

Fish In The Water · 05-08-11, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

The first and only time during WWII that a sub was destroyed by another sub whilst both were submerged.

http://uboat.net/boats/u864.htm

Makes it all the more remarkable...

BTW, just read the following on the linked page:

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This is the only known incident in all of naval warfare in which one submarine sinks another while both are submerged.

Just wondering if it's WWII or 'all of naval warfare?'

Captain Nemo · 05-09-11, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish In The Water

Just wondering if it's WWII or 'all of naval warfare?'

I would guess all of naval warfare. Although with modern torpedoes the sinking of other submerged submarines is an easier task, I don't think it has actually been put to the test in real combat. If I'm not mistaken, the only time a nuclear submarine has fired it's torpedoes in anger was during the Falklands war back in 1982 when a British sub sunk the Belgrano. I'm sure others will correct me if I'm mistaken.

Nemo

Jimbuna · 05-09-11, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Nemo

I would guess all of naval warfare. Although with modern torpedoes the sinking of other submerged submarines is an easier task, I don't think it has actually been put to the test in real combat. If I'm not mistaken, the only time a nuclear submarine has fired it's torpedoes in anger was during the Falklands war back in 1982 when a British sub sunk the Belgrano. I'm sure others will correct me if I'm mistaken.

Nemo

If I was a betting man I'd say your right but if it has happened since nobody is releasing any info about it

05-09-11, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

If I was a betting man I'd say your right but if it has happened since nobody is releasing any info about it

The Kursk comes to mind, and I'll say no more.

Captain Nemo · 05-10-11, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Snestorm

The Kursk comes to mind, and I'll say no more.

I think the evidence suggests that the sinking of the Kursk was caused by an internal explosion. Wasn't she carrying torpedoes that were powered by hydrogen peroxide?

Nemo

Osmium Steele · 05-11-11, 08:56 AM

I personally believe the Kursk was testing the latest version of the Shkval.

It is my belief that the engine lit while still in the tube, the subsequent heat detonating the warhead, quickly followed by the other warheads in the torpedo room. Hence, the double explosion reported by the lurking nato subs and sosus data, although the shallow waters could also account for hearing a double detonation. Acoustics are weird that way.

Personally, I was moved to tears when the first reports hit the news.

The Soviets may have been my adversary, but they were never my enemy, and all submariners share a common enemy, the sea.

Jimbuna · 05-11-11, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Snestorm

The Kursk comes to mind, and I'll say no more.

I honestly don't think she was destroyed by an attack from a submerged adversary

Fish In The Water · 05-12-11, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

I honestly don't think she was destroyed by an attack from a submerged adversary

Makes for a good conspiracy theory though...

05-07-11, 05:15 PM	#1
She-Wolf Watchdog Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hampshire UK Posts: 971 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	U864 Just watched a youtube video on the sinking of U864 which was torped by a British sub off Norway - so sad, made I cry for all submariners who lost their lives in the war. __________________

05-07-11, 09:16 PM	#4
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Try this out for U-864 http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...64&aq=3&oq=U-8 Looks like it has 5 episodes plus other stuff about U-864 ENJOY __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

05-08-11, 08:14 AM	#6
She-Wolf Watchdog Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hampshire UK Posts: 971 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	apologies folk, I thought I had put the full title in so you could find it on YouTube, but clearly I did not. It is probably the one Firewall has linked, also called Hitlers Last Deadly Secret. Frau Kaleun it is exactly as you describe __________________

05-08-11, 09:06 AM	#7
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,481 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The first and only time during WWII that a sub was destroyed by another sub whilst both were submerged. http://uboat.net/boats/u864.htm __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

05-07-11, 06:10 PM	#2
Fish In The Water Prince of the Sea SUBSIM Welcome Committee Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Watching over U-253 Posts: 3,527 Downloads: 98 Uploads: 2	Care to share the link? If so, thanks in advance!

05-07-11, 09:07 PM	#3
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	I wonder if this is the same program that airs on History/HistIntl/Military channels. I've seen it a number of times, most recently this afternoon. If so it's a combination of dramatic reenactment of the events of the boat's sinking and the modern day exploration of the wreck, in part to determine what environmental dangers it might pose due to the mercury on board. Don't know any other sources for the story so I can't say how accurate the presentation is, but I find it compelling to watch.

05-11-11, 08:56 AM	#13
Osmium Steele Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Upper midwest USA Posts: 1,101 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	I personally believe the Kursk was testing the latest version of the Shkval. It is my belief that the engine lit while still in the tube, the subsequent heat detonating the warhead, quickly followed by the other warheads in the torpedo room. Hence, the double explosion reported by the lurking nato subs and sosus data, although the shallow waters could also account for hearing a double detonation. Acoustics are weird that way. Personally, I was moved to tears when the first reports hit the news. The Soviets may have been my adversary, but they were never my enemy, and all submariners share a common enemy, the sea.