Enthusiast who used 'military issue' arsenal to recreate battles in his attic

Feuer Frei! · 04-12-11, 07:32 AM

It is a fearsome array of weapons including a Kalashnikov, Uzi sub-machine gun, shotguns and pistols.
Packing enough fire-power to impress even the most ardent NRA activist, this astonishing arsenal did not belong to a gang of organised criminals, but formed part of the private collection of an over enthusiastic British grocery store owner.
Despite it being illegal to own a hand gun or automatic fire weapon in the UK, David Evans claimed he bought replica weapons to use for ‘war games’ in his loft, where he kitted out mannequins with imitation guns to recreate scenes from war movies such as Saving Private Ryan.
But yesterday the self-confessed gun ‘fanatic’ was starting a 16-year jail term after being convicted of a total of 29 charges of possessing and transferring the weapons to two brothers who are already behind bars.
Evans’s haul, which at one point was stored in a cardboard box kept on top of an industrial-sized fridge at his business premises, included American and Israeli military-issue machine guns – some so state-of-the-art that they are issued only to special forces.
A ‘hitman-style’ pistol with a silencer attached was also discovered, along with more than 500 bullets.
Evans, 42, who lives near Birmingham, also held an MP40 machine gun, similar to those issued to armed police.
The gun fanatic had been banned from owning guns after he was jailed for three years in 2005 for posting an illegal firearm to a legitimate dealer in Scotland.
He told officers: ‘It might sound a bit sad but in my loft I had some mannequins which I dressed as German soldiers, American soldiers – but obviously I had no guns.
Officers who seized the cache of 16 deadly guns initially feared they may have been stored on behalf of a far-Right group such as the English Defence League.
Wolverhampton Crown Court heard that in late 2009, as his marriage crumbled and his business ran into difficulties, Evans asked friend Daniel Thatcher, a 25-year-old mechanic, to store the weapons.
Thatcher, who lived with his parents, passed five of the weapons to his brother, Lee, 29.
The weapons haul came to light when police arrested Daniel Thatcher on an unrelated matter and found a 9mm Uzi and a 9mm pistol and cartridges under his bed.
Detective Inspector Gary Dring said: ‘If word had got out that there were unsecured guns... they may have been stolen by criminals and I dread to think what could have happened.’
The Thatcher brothers each admitted possession of firearms and ammunition last September. Daniel Thatcher was jailed for three years and eight months. His brother received a 15-month sentence.

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The article mentions replica guns.
To me that means non-firing weapons/toys. Replica meaning copy, not real.
Imitation meaning not real.
*shrugs shoulders*

Jimbuna · 04-12-11, 07:36 AM

Now that brings back one or two eerie memories from years ago.

What really concerns me is the ease with which people still appear to be able to get hold of these weapons.

TLAM Strike · 04-12-11, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Now that brings back one or two eerie memories from years ago.

What really concerns me is the ease with which people still appear to be able to get hold of these weapons.

You know what they say about outlawing guns.

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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

...also held an MP40 machine gun, similar to those issued to armed police.

What police are armed with MP40s? The Gestapo?

Feuer Frei! · 04-12-11, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

What police are armed with MP40s? The Gestapo?

You tell me, i'm just copy/pasta-ing the article.

Weiss Pinguin · 04-12-11, 08:22 AM

Well, replica doesn't necessarily mean that it's just a model. It just means that it's not the original

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A ‘hitman-style’ pistol with a silencer attached was also discovered, along with more than 500 bullets.
Evans, 42, who lives near Birmingham, also held an MP40 machine gun, similar to those issued to armed police.

Hah

antikristuseke · 04-12-11, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Now that brings back one or two eerie memories from years ago.

What really concerns me is the ease with which people still appear to be able to get hold of these weapons.

It jsut denonstrates that firearms bans do not really work at geting guns away from those who want to obtain them. Personally i tould take me about an hour to obtain a fully automatic ak-74 with a few hundred rounds of ammo, most of that would invole just time it take for me to travel.
That being said though, the culture play more part in violent crime and what types of weapons are used, for example in Estonia we have a fairly high murder rate, but guns are rarely used, even though easily obtainable.

ajrimmer42 · 04-12-11, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

What police are armed with MP40s? The Gestapo?

lol, I was wondering that too, I presume they meant to put 'MP5s'.

August · 04-12-11, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Weiss Pinguin

Well, replica doesn't necessarily mean that it's just a model. It just means that it's not the original

I disagree. An AK-47 is still an AK-47 regardless of when or where it's manufactured.

Fish In The Water · 04-12-11, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Thatcher, who lived with his parents...

Well, if I still had to live with my parents I'd probably be 'driven' to collect guns as well...

Capt. Morgan · 04-12-11, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke

It jsut denonstrates that firearms bans do not really work at geting guns away from those who want to obtain them. ...

It does however go a long way to reducing the incidents of people getting their heads blown off over fender-benders, etc.

August · 04-12-11, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Capt. Morgan

It does however go a long way to reducing the incidents of people getting their heads blown off over fender-benders, etc.

It does? Anything besides gut feelings to back up that statement?

TLAM Strike · 04-12-11, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by August

I disagree. An AK-47 is still an AK-47 regardless of when or where it's manufactured.

Not if its made in China then its a Type 56.

Schroeder · 04-12-11, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

What police are armed with MP40s? The Gestapo?

Never heard of that either, I know that some GDR police forces got issued StG44 after the war however. Maybe the author confused that.

August · 04-12-11, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Not if its made in China then its a Type 56.

IIRC there are a few differences between the AK and the T-56. Pressed barrel vs threaded for example but generally you are correct.

Garion · 04-12-11, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

Never heard of that either, I know that some GDR police forces got issued StG44 after the war however. Maybe the author confused that.

Schmeisser MachinePistole

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP_40

I had a replica of the MP40 back in the early 1970's yoo could order them online or buy over the counter.

Cheers

Garion

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Feuer Frei! Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Valhalla Posts: 5,295 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 17	Enthusiast who used 'military issue' arsenal to recreate battles in his attic It is a fearsome array of weapons including a Kalashnikov, Uzi sub-machine gun, shotguns and pistols. Packing enough fire-power to impress even the most ardent NRA activist, this astonishing arsenal did not belong to a gang of organised criminals, but formed part of the private collection of an over enthusiastic British grocery store owner. Despite it being illegal to own a hand gun or automatic fire weapon in the UK, David Evans claimed he bought replica weapons to use for ‘war games’ in his loft, where he kitted out mannequins with imitation guns to recreate scenes from war movies such as Saving Private Ryan. But yesterday the self-confessed gun ‘fanatic’ was starting a 16-year jail term after being convicted of a total of 29 charges of possessing and transferring the weapons to two brothers who are already behind bars. Evans’s haul, which at one point was stored in a cardboard box kept on top of an industrial-sized fridge at his business premises, included American and Israeli military-issue machine guns – some so state-of-the-art that they are issued only to special forces. A ‘hitman-style’ pistol with a silencer attached was also discovered, along with more than 500 bullets. Evans, 42, who lives near Birmingham, also held an MP40 machine gun, similar to those issued to armed police. The gun fanatic had been banned from owning guns after he was jailed for three years in 2005 for posting an illegal firearm to a legitimate dealer in Scotland. He told officers: ‘It might sound a bit sad but in my loft I had some mannequins which I dressed as German soldiers, American soldiers – but obviously I had no guns. Officers who seized the cache of 16 deadly guns initially feared they may have been stored on behalf of a far-Right group such as the English Defence League. Wolverhampton Crown Court heard that in late 2009, as his marriage crumbled and his business ran into difficulties, Evans asked friend Daniel Thatcher, a 25-year-old mechanic, to store the weapons. Thatcher, who lived with his parents, passed five of the weapons to his brother, Lee, 29. The weapons haul came to light when police arrested Daniel Thatcher on an unrelated matter and found a 9mm Uzi and a 9mm pistol and cartridges under his bed. Detective Inspector Gary Dring said: ‘If word had got out that there were unsecured guns... they may have been stolen by criminals and I dread to think what could have happened.’ The Thatcher brothers each admitted possession of firearms and ammunition last September. Daniel Thatcher was jailed for three years and eight months. His brother received a 15-month sentence. SOURCE The article mentions replica guns. To me that means non-firing weapons/toys. Replica meaning copy, not real. Imitation meaning not real. shrugs shoulders __________________ "History is the lies that the victors agree on"- Napoleon LINK TO MY SH 3 MODS

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