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Old 04-24-07, 03:07 AM   #1
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Default Did they try and pick up survivors? (GWX)

Extraordinary occurence on my last patrol I'd torpedoed a large tanker and it was dead in the water when I noticed a modern tanker had hove to close to it. What I want to know is; was she stopping to pick up survivors, or stopping to try and avoid collision?

Yes I did torpedoe it as well, but now I've got got post raumatic stress syndrome due to the senseless waste of human life.
Oh the horror.....
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Old 04-24-07, 03:14 AM   #2
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Extraordinary occurence on my last patrol I'd torpedoed a large tanker and it was dead in the water when I noticed a modern tanker had hove to close to it. What I want to know is; was she stopping to pick up survivors, or stopping to try and avoid collision?

Yes I did torpedoe it as well, but now I've got got post raumatic stress syndrome due to the senseless waste of human life.
Oh the horror.....

mostly what happens when to AI ships are too close together one of them stops turn emergency back and makes a sharp turn indeed to avoid collision.

the AI isnt programmed to ''be nice''
what you could do is let the modern tanker alone and simulate that he is picking up the survivors.
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Old 04-24-07, 04:56 AM   #3
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Actually in reality standing orders were to ignore survivors and to move on. Any escorts that could would collect survivors when possible.

Later on they created a dedicated recovery ship for survivors. But the AI is basically sociopathic. They live for themselves and nobody else.
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AI ships are mad and they don't give a toss if they are firing at you and another ship gets in the way they keep firing and on some occasions they sink one of there own.
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AI ships are mad and they don't give a toss if they are firing at you and another ship gets in the way they keep firing and on some occasions they sink one of there own.
The AI is madder than the players :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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The AI is madder than the players :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Spot on there. :rotfl: :rotfl:
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I noticed a modern tanker had hove to
A modern one eh? These time travellers get everywhere! Perhaps it was like this?

http://supertankers.topcities.com/id23.htm

Who could resist 560,000 tonnes!!!
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reckon that might be be a three torpedoe sinking?
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a large tanker and it was dead in the water when I noticed a modern tanker had hove to close to it.
Mostly same thing here too. These days, while attacking a convoy, I torpedoed a large merchant. He stopped, but did not sink. Two destroyers remained behind to hunt me, one actively searching for me, while the other just stopped right beside the merchant and just stood there. When I escaped the hunting DD, I put a torp in the merchie from a distance. It sank. Only then, the second DD (the immobile one) started to move and hurried to rejoin the convoy. The other DD remained there, trying to find me (at the wrong spot, fortunately). I play a modded version of GWX.
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The AI will always avoid a collision if possible. My father served in the Atlantic and on the Murmansk convoys in the merchant navy and he informed me that not only were merchants restricted from stoping to pick up survivors but were also forced to maintain course on occassion, sometimes resulting in a ship running over survivors in the water.
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My father served in the Atlantic and on the Murmansk convoys in the merchant navy and he informed me that not only were merchants restricted from stoping to pick up survivors but were also forced to maintain course on occassion, sometimes resulting in a ship running over survivors in the water.
I think those guys on the Murmansk run are the great unsung heroes of WWII. They endured terrible privations and enormous risks for a very dubious strategic goal, propping up the stalinist regime which in many ways was as bad as the nazis.

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You guys are right - orders are to not stop for survivors - period.

radio the position of the attack and a rescue will be attempted later when danger has cleared.

Stop a big boat long enough to pick up survivors and you will all be treading water sooner than you think. few things as easy as a torpedo solution on a stationary ship.

They could throw lofe boats overboard or life rings etc but not stop. Sea planes with long enough range usually flew out to get survivors if conditions permitted.

watch the movie "Flags of our fathers" one marine falls overboard while acting stupid and lands in the water amidst a HUGE convoy. when you look at this little man in the water the ships continue sailing past him everyone comes to the sobering realization that "They're not going to stop... they cant, nobody can"... and the viewer comes to recognize the implications of stopping a single merchant ship in a convoy... traffic jams, the traffic flow is interrupted, now you have a huge mess on your hands. especially in a convoy such as the one in the movie which seems to span from horizon to horizon in close lanes.

But fear not for the survivors, they will freeze to death soon enough... probably within a couple of hours or less.
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I noticed a modern tanker had hove to
A modern one eh? These time travellers get everywhere! Perhaps it was like this?

http://supertankers.topcities.com/id23.htm

Who could resist 560,000 tonnes!!!
Look on the bright side. Once you get within 1000 meters of this big boy your torps can't miss no matter what setting you use. Point and shoot you are gonna hit somethin!
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Old 04-24-07, 04:56 PM   #14
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I've seen a ship stop right next to one that is sinking as well. It may be a collision-avoidance routine, but it sure looks cool. Once I even wrote in my log that as long as they were picking up their fellows I decided to let them go. Otto Wedigen must have rolled over in his grave.
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Seen something similar but took the shot on the sitting target. Couldn't resist.
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