Reflections on the Water(ROW)?

Caustic · 10-25-10, 01:26 PM

This is an older environmental mod that was released back in 2007 and I am unable to find the files. I'm surprised this mod isn't popular anymore because it is absolutely beautiful in every area of the game. Pacific Environments 4/Environment 5 and Real Environment change the game in a different manner. I just remember playing the mod back in 2007 and remembering how awesome it was.

I was browsing through the original thread, which can be found here
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=650194

The problem is that all of the download links are broken and I am hoping the files still exist somewhere. Could anyone instruct me on how to download the ROW files?

Thanks.

Jan Kyster · 10-25-10, 03:32 PM

Have a look in this folder: http://www.mediafire.com/?1apkhcn9uslgf

I do have the complete collection, so if there's something else you want please ask.

Will get Dave's work sorted out someday soon...

Caustic · 10-25-10, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan Kyster

Have a look in this folder: http://www.mediafire.com/?1apkhcn9uslgf

I do have the complete collection, so if there's something else you want please ask.

Will get Dave's work sorted out someday soon...

Thank you so much. ROW is definitely a work of art. The ocean physics are the biggest trump card while other environmental mods focus on sky/water colors and textures. Nothing has rivaled the Living Breathing Ocean mod aswell in some aspects.

RIP Dave.

EDIT: I am also looking for the roll pitch version5 for submarines. Thanks

Just installed everything and I like it morso than stock. I never liked PE or Real Environment because of the unatural water colors.
No CTDs BTW.

Armistead · 10-25-10, 11:55 PM

It's all a matter of taste. About the only problem is none of the megamods are tweaked with ROW, so keep that limitation in mind.

Jan Kyster · 10-29-10, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caustic

...EDIT: I am also looking for the roll pitch version5 for submarines. Thanks

Have a look at this, ROW Sub Reflections and Roll Pitch Mod: http://www.mediafire.com/?s2timyd1pxdrvym

But be aware major improvements on subs in other areas will be lost, if you use this mod.
Better use S3D to read values in Dave's files and then transfer them to your newer sub...

Folder for other ROW works uploaded so far: http://www.mediafire.com/?1apkhcn9uslgf

Jan Kyster · 10-30-10, 12:33 PM

ROW restored scene.dat is available here: http://www.mediafire.com/?j422v2wo8i9wq2l

Original values are read by use of SH3MiniTweaker and SH4 scene-tweak file and then typed into LeoVampire's original scene.dat with new EnvSim and EnvDat nodes inserted.

Skwasjer have restored Leo's scene.dat before, but I can't find any of these in the packages I have in possesion?
If you have an original ROW scene.dat with original date and nodes shown correct in S3D, please share!

Sailor Steve · 10-30-10, 03:02 PM

I have a bunch of ROW-related downloads in my collection, but none of them seems to be ROW itself - just add-ons by other people. If one of them turns out to be relavent I'll be glad to put it up for download.

clayp · 10-26-10, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan Kyster

Have a look in this folder: http://www.mediafire.com/?1apkhcn9uslgf

I do have the complete collection, so if there's something else you want please ask.

Will get Dave's work sorted out someday soon...

So do all these files work ok?

Jan Kyster · 10-26-10, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caustic

...ROW is definitely a work of art.

That's the only way to describe Dave's work!

We all owe him bíg time...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caustic

EDIT: I am also looking for the roll pitch version5 for submarines.

do yo have a link to where it's described? Only have a faint recollection of it mentioned once...

Or perhaps it's the optional mod from PE4? The're two parts included in the PE4 mod...

Quote:

Originally Posted by clayp

So do all these files work ok?

Yes? They are all Dave's original files.

And no. But only in the sense that if you open Dave's scene.dat in S3D, it will not read two nodes of data.
SHIV on the other hand is apparently very relaxed with such details and doesn't seem to mind it...

Admiral Von Gerlach · 10-27-10, 12:45 PM

The colour of ocean and sky at sea are very specific ...and very hard to master and convey in both sims and other mediums. The difficulty lies in the extreme delicacy of the tints and shades of blue and green that either look right and work or don't. It takes a keen eye and much experience at sea or looking at accurate photos and images of the sea in various climates and conditions to be able to set up the right colours in SH. He did IMHO the best job yet...and i am very glad these files are still available.

It is for those of us who treasure accuracy and the most realistic rendering a treasure to have this set. And from a special guy.

10-25-10, 03:33 PM

ROW was taken over and renamed after the original mod maker got sick and stopped working on it (sadly he never recovered). it was made for a much earlier version of the game and even if you found a copy of ROW somewhere it would likely cause some CTD issues.

Leo turned ROW over to another modder he trusted and it was renamed and became what turned into Env 5 or PE4 (i forgot which one) but AFAIK one was a reinterpretation of his work and one tried to stay true to ROW settings where the other mod wanted to use different settings because they thought it looked better.

no matter of which of these you liked best they both were great mods with the main differences in water color, smoke, and explosions that i can recall.

they were eventually merged into the Real Environment mod and that is the end result of years of work.

now you know the whole story

10-25-10, 01:26 PM	#1
Caustic Torpedoman Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Cape May, New Jersey Posts: 118 Downloads: 362 Uploads: 6	Reflections on the Water(ROW)? This is an older environmental mod that was released back in 2007 and I am unable to find the files. I'm surprised this mod isn't popular anymore because it is absolutely beautiful in every area of the game. Pacific Environments 4/Environment 5 and Real Environment change the game in a different manner. I just remember playing the mod back in 2007 and remembering how awesome it was. I was browsing through the original thread, which can be found here http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=650194 The problem is that all of the download links are broken and I am hoping the files still exist somewhere. Could anyone instruct me on how to download the ROW files? Thanks.

10-30-10, 12:33 PM	#6
Jan Kyster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,151 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	ROW restored Scene! ROW restored scene.dat is available here: http://www.mediafire.com/?j422v2wo8i9wq2l Original values are read by use of SH3MiniTweaker and SH4 scene-tweak file and then typed into LeoVampire's original scene.dat with new EnvSim and EnvDat nodes inserted. Skwasjer have restored Leo's scene.dat before, but I can't find any of these in the packages I have in possesion? If you have an original ROW scene.dat with original date and nodes shown correct in S3D, please share!

10-30-10, 03:02 PM	#7
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I have a bunch of ROW-related downloads in my collection, but none of them seems to be ROW itself - just add-ons by other people. If one of them turns out to be relavent I'll be glad to put it up for download. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

10-27-10, 12:45 PM	#10
Admiral Von Gerlach Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Colorado and California Posts: 726 Downloads: 358 Uploads: 0	The colour of ocean and sky at sea are very specific ...and very hard to master and convey in both sims and other mediums. The difficulty lies in the extreme delicacy of the tints and shades of blue and green that either look right and work or don't. It takes a keen eye and much experience at sea or looking at accurate photos and images of the sea in various climates and conditions to be able to set up the right colours in SH. He did IMHO the best job yet...and i am very glad these files are still available. It is for those of us who treasure accuracy and the most realistic rendering a treasure to have this set. And from a special guy. __________________ Erlaubnis an Bord zu kommen.

10-25-10, 03:32 PM	#2
Jan Kyster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,151 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	Have a look in this folder: http://www.mediafire.com/?1apkhcn9uslgf I do have the complete collection, so if there's something else you want please ask. Will get Dave's work sorted out someday soon...

10-25-10, 11:55 PM	#4
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	It's all a matter of taste. About the only problem is none of the megamods are tweaked with ROW, so keep that limitation in mind.

10-25-10, 03:33 PM	#11
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	ROW was taken over and renamed after the original mod maker got sick and stopped working on it (sadly he never recovered). it was made for a much earlier version of the game and even if you found a copy of ROW somewhere it would likely cause some CTD issues. Leo turned ROW over to another modder he trusted and it was renamed and became what turned into Env 5 or PE4 (i forgot which one) but AFAIK one was a reinterpretation of his work and one tried to stay true to ROW settings where the other mod wanted to use different settings because they thought it looked better. no matter of which of these you liked best they both were great mods with the main differences in water color, smoke, and explosions that i can recall. they were eventually merged into the Real Environment mod and that is the end result of years of work. now you know the whole story