[REQ] Radar feedback needed.

Xrundel · 05-28-11, 06:24 PM

Hey, guys!
I am currently working on radar station functionality and because I did not use it much at all - I have very limited knowledge about real gaming experience using it.
Can you post your experience and opinions about current state of radar station?
Do you manually use it like fixed by TDW sonar/hydrophone station?
Is bearing dial in your version of sub or campaign year working properly? (main is showing wrong readings that don't make any sense).
Is your radio guy reporting any radar contacts? (my does not say a word at all ever.)
Who got advanced in later years and using something better than FuMO-29 - what is your opinion on equipment?

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

stoianm · 05-28-11, 11:16 PM

I used somethimes... if you ask the radio guy he will report you a radio contact like: bering and range (when he will catch one)... i do not know more than that

Xrundel · 05-29-11, 04:00 AM

I think that "radio contact" is different from radar contact. Radar contact at current settings should be at 10km or closer. Radio contact could be as far away as you setting for max range in UI (adjustable number with "+" and "-" to the left of time compression control.
Judging on activity in this tread looks like radar pretty much useless for most of the players or what?
Recently I was tweaking radar's behavior and despite problems with FOV (field of view - it was FuMO29 with very restricted one) it was able to detect enemy airplanes in light fog and heavy rain. They were able to detect me from distance of approximately 3000m and there was no way for me to see them approaching in that rain. Not to mention that I stupidly used up almost all of my Flak shells on destroyer survivors in a little lifeboat and ran out of ammo on first airplane that was attacking me

.
I guess radar could be useful in areas with heavy air coverage especially with limited visibility.

Zedi · 05-29-11, 08:16 AM

On rare occasions players will end up playing after 41. I played a lot after 43 and is impossible to play with real nav because the radar is not working, at least none will report any contact until you get into visual contact range. And thats already late because you will get detected by the enemy.

The radar has the same bug as the hydro had.. you have to be very precise to locate a target on the screen and you cannot see if is only 1 or more contacts. I miss a round radar screen, is much more easy to locate a target when you scan manually.. but I dont think this part can be fixed.

Overall, radar is useless thus making playing the game after 41 more and more difficult, if not impossible. This and the missing snorkel is one of the biggest problem needed to be solved in SH5. The rest is pretty much fixed already.

Xrundel · 05-29-11, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zedi

On rare occasions players will end up playing after 41. I played a lot after 43 and is impossible to play with real nav because the radar is not working, at least none will report any contact until you get into visual contact range. And thats already late because you will get detected by the enemy.

The radar has the same bug as the hydro had.. you have to be very precise to locate a target on the screen and you cannot see if is only 1 or more contacts. I miss a round radar screen, is much more easy to locate a target when you scan manually.. but I dont think this part can be fixed.

Overall, radar is useless thus making playing the game after 41 more and more difficult, if not impossible. This and the missing snorkel is one of the biggest problem needed to be solved in SH5. The rest is pretty much fixed already.

Thank you for detailed explanations.
I guess TheBeast right now in process of making snorkel to work properly (I did not even knew it's not working in the game) .
And yesterday I have major break-through of fixing radar wheel to show correct bearing which was a major setback on any further progress. Rangers and VOF are practically determined at this point, all that left - to find really usable relation between speed of auto-scan and size of detectable arc.
Radar unlike hydrophone does not have steady beam - it sends signal, then get it back in couple of seconds. If radar wheel spins too fast and detection arc is too narrow - it's easy to miss contact. Widening arc makes it less probable but bearing accuracy suffers then. Slow spinning wheel also have very slow reaction to the mouse wheel after you detected target and switch for manual mode...
I have to find most playable compromise.
But all work is delayed right now because I got feed up with CTD's and frozen game screen at every second restart - so I completely uninstalling everything and restoring my computer system at this point.

If everything will go as well as in last couple of days (and nights

) - you will have playable radar station very soon.

Rongel · 05-29-11, 12:38 PM

This sounds really good!

I think Zedi is almost the only one who has played the game after the Total Germany

. I'm waiting to start a new career with Zedis campaign and then I will play it from start to the bitter end! And that's where the radar comes handy. So good luck, this seems to be a really important fix.

Txema · 05-30-11, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xrundel

Radar unlike hydrophone does not have steady beam - it sends signal, then get it back in couple of seconds. If radar wheel spins too fast and detection arc is too narrow - it's easy to miss contact. Widening arc makes it less probable but bearing accuracy suffers then.

Please, forgive me if I am not understanding this properly, but the signal sent by radar is an electromagneit wave (radio signal) and therefore it travels with a velocity equal to 300.000 Km/sec. It takes just a few microseconds to travel several kilometers... Therefore the radar sends the signal and gets it back in microseconds... the delay is really negigible !

Is SH5 currently modelling a delay of a couple of seconds for the radar signal ? That would be completely wrong !

Can you explain it, please?

Txema

Txema · 05-30-11, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zedi

The radar has the same bug as the hydro had.. you have to be very precise to locate a target on the screen and you cannot see if is only 1 or more contacts. I miss a round radar screen, is much more easy to locate a target when you scan manually.. but I dont think this part can be fixed.

The radar interface is actually quite well modelled in SH5. The round radar screen was not used in those u-boat radars, and therefore it would be un-historical to have it in SH5. Only the FuMO-65 radar used in Type XXI U-boats had round radar screen (also known as PPI).

Txema

stoianm · 05-29-11, 08:16 AM

you are right ... i mixed things... i was thinking at radio contacts

05-28-11, 06:24 PM	#1
Xrundel Gunner Join Date: May 2011 Location: Phoenix, AZ. Posts: 100 Downloads: 57 Uploads: 0	[REQ] Radar feedback needed. Hey, guys! I am currently working on radar station functionality and because I did not use it much at all - I have very limited knowledge about real gaming experience using it. Can you post your experience and opinions about current state of radar station? Do you manually use it like fixed by TDW sonar/hydrophone station? Is bearing dial in your version of sub or campaign year working properly? (main is showing wrong readings that don't make any sense). Is your radio guy reporting any radar contacts? (my does not say a word at all ever.) Who got advanced in later years and using something better than FuMO-29 - what is your opinion on equipment? Any info would be greatly appreciated.

05-29-11, 04:00 AM	#3
Xrundel Gunner Join Date: May 2011 Location: Phoenix, AZ. Posts: 100 Downloads: 57 Uploads: 0	I think that "radio contact" is different from radar contact. Radar contact at current settings should be at 10km or closer. Radio contact could be as far away as you setting for max range in UI (adjustable number with "+" and "-" to the left of time compression control. Judging on activity in this tread looks like radar pretty much useless for most of the players or what? Recently I was tweaking radar's behavior and despite problems with FOV (field of view - it was FuMO29 with very restricted one) it was able to detect enemy airplanes in light fog and heavy rain. They were able to detect me from distance of approximately 3000m and there was no way for me to see them approaching in that rain. Not to mention that I stupidly used up almost all of my Flak shells on destroyer survivors in a little lifeboat and ran out of ammo on first airplane that was attacking me. I guess radar could be useful in areas with heavy air coverage especially with limited visibility.

05-28-11, 11:16 PM	#2
stoianm Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 2,776 Downloads: 833 Uploads: 11	I used somethimes... if you ask the radio guy he will report you a radio contact like: bering and range (when he will catch one)... i do not know more than that

05-29-11, 08:16 AM	#4
Zedi Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,845 Downloads: 184 Uploads: 2	On rare occasions players will end up playing after 41. I played a lot after 43 and is impossible to play with real nav because the radar is not working, at least none will report any contact until you get into visual contact range. And thats already late because you will get detected by the enemy. The radar has the same bug as the hydro had.. you have to be very precise to locate a target on the screen and you cannot see if is only 1 or more contacts. I miss a round radar screen, is much more easy to locate a target when you scan manually.. but I dont think this part can be fixed. Overall, radar is useless thus making playing the game after 41 more and more difficult, if not impossible. This and the missing snorkel is one of the biggest problem needed to be solved in SH5. The rest is pretty much fixed already.

05-29-11, 12:38 PM	#6
Rongel Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Finland Posts: 859 Downloads: 174 Uploads: 0	This sounds really good! I think Zedi is almost the only one who has played the game after the Total Germany . I'm waiting to start a new career with Zedis campaign and then I will play it from start to the bitter end! And that's where the radar comes handy. So good luck, this seems to be a really important fix.