Hunting

LostDream · 04-08-10, 06:34 AM

Ein sehr guter Tag für euch alle!

How do you guys hunt?

I usually cruse no more then 120 the next one up. Run underwater at Ahead-Slow until my batteries are %50 dune, then surface and place a Watch Officer until Im fully recharge. Rinse and Repeat. This is heading into my patrol area, as well as when Im just doing a grid search for targets.

Do you always follow the shipping lanes or pick a random course and see what you get? I have read about the "good" grids, AM51-52, BF I think its 14 or so, by the mouth of the channel. Do you just run those grids or really hunt for targets in the big blue ocean?

Just wanting to know what the rest of my Wolf Pack is doing so I can adapt and maybe bring back to port and xtra 20-30 tons.

Jimbuna · 04-08-10, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by LostDream

Ein sehr guter Tag für euch alle!

How do you guys hunt?

I usually cruse no more then 120 the next one up. Run underwater at Ahead-Slow until my batteries are %50 dune, then surface and place a Watch Officer until Im fully recharge. Rinse and Repeat. This is heading into my patrol area, as well as when Im just doing a grid search for targets.

Do you always follow the shipping lanes or pick a random course and see what you get? I have read about the "good" grids, AM51-52, BF I think its 14 or so, by the mouth of the channel. Do you just run those grids or really hunt for targets in the big blue ocean?

Just wanting to know what the rest of my Wolf Pack is doing so I can adapt and maybe bring back to port and xtra 20-30 tons.

I generally pick a patrol grid via SH3 Commander (but not always) and spend a week skulking about then, if no or little success I go to an adjoining grid, but no further because I consider that slightly unrealistic.....the Kaleun never had the option or the fuel to travel worldwide.

Paul Riley · 04-08-10, 07:29 AM

I'll give you an example of my last hunt.My initial patrol orders were to patrol grid BF17 for 24hrs (a waste of time I know),which covers roughly the western approaches into Britain,just south of Ireland.After 24 hrs I decided to patrol my own sector,and decided I needed to find the main lanes a bit further to the west away from Britain and in deeper water,directly south of the south western tip of Ireland,this was and IS a major trade hub for shipping coming from Canada and USA.

First,I decided to head for BF14 and when I reached the southern edge of the grid I would head north onto the northern edge of BF11 (roughly a 200km patrol corridor) moving submerged for most of the patrol (roughly 6-7 hours submerged) at 4kts.Moving submerged at about 30m you can pick distant contacts up a lot further than if you were relying on your watch crew.When the batteries had drained to 10% I surfaced and ran for about 4hrs or so at ahead standard while charging the batteries,which expended approx 200km or so of fuel,from a total of well over half the tank to start with.I had enough fuel at this rate to cover the short surface run for well over a week,and possibly more!.I also recorded how much fuel I would need for the return journey back to Wilhelmshaven,approx 2000km worth taking the short cut through the channel (very risky,but I made it through at the beginning of the patrol,but this will be the last time as patrols are increasing in that area now).
After heading into the northern sector of BF11 I would again head south back into BF14 submerged,and recharged as neccessary when the batteries had drained to 10%.
In this time I spent almost 2 weeks in the area and managed to sink 6 ships for a total of just under 37000 tonnes,including a very juicy whale factory ship for 12000 tonnes!.

Thats the way I do it,pick an area that you expect to have high traffic (ideally at chokepoints and not too far from your initial 24hr patrol orders),usually this may cover one or more grid squares to patrol,then stick to your plan.And in my case I would only attack incoming ships,and ignore the outgoing,as my intention was to cut off supplies HEADING for Britain,and not going back to Canada.This adds to the realism factor.I am now about to enter the channel again after spending 17 days in total at sea with 2 stern torpedoes left and 150rds of HE ammo.

You will realise the greatest threat from this method of patrolling is fuel,but if you work out how mank kms you cover surfaced while recharging for a 24hr period,deduct it from your current total of fuel left,then work out the surface totals for a week,and maybe two,you should have enough fuel to cover it,if your fuel notes and calculations are correct.It is better to dynamically patrol an area than to remain in one spot and hoping for traffic to come to you,the oceans are too vast for that approach.But once you are certain you have found a lane frequented by many ships you can then afford to hang around just off the track and wait for them to arrive

You will certainly need patience,persistence,foresight and luck to patrol like this,but its very rewarding when it works.

Good hunting!

JohnnyBlaze · 04-08-10, 09:45 AM

Hi, Paul!

I don't mean to bash your patrolling technique, but don't you think it's a bit dangerous to drain the battery 90% before recharging?
What if a task force enters your area when you only have 10% of your batteries left?

Let's think of a scenario when an aircraft carrier based fighters sweep the area and spot you on the surface right after you've surfaced to recharge and force you under. With no power in the batteries, you can't change position submerged and you know that them destroyers are coming..

Happened to me once in 1943 and yes the bastards found me.

Just a heads up, you know

-JB

Paul Riley · 04-08-10, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBlaze

Hi, Paul!

I don't mean to bash your patrolling technique, but don't you think it's a bit dangerous to drain the battery 90% before recharging?
What if a task force enters your area when you only have 10% of your batteries left?

Let's think of a scenario when an aircraft carrier based fighters sweep the area and spot you on the surface right after you've surfaced to recharge and force you under. With no power in the batteries, you can't change position submerged and you know that them destroyers are coming..

Happened to me once in 1943 and yes the bastards found me.

Just a heads up, you know

-JB

VERY good point sir,and yes,I am fully aware of that.I will just have to trust in lady luck,and keep away from the buggers if they appear

04-08-10, 06:32 PM

Usualy I'll try to reach my patrol grid via a short route, reasonably free of aircraft (IXaholic).
I stay on the surface as much as possible, and will respond to convoy reports issued via radio.

Once my time in grid is done, I MAY move closer to the nearest enemy port or coastline.

If there are still torpedoes available my route back will generaly be longer, crossing promising lanes. (If I've had a dud patrol off Afrika, I may make a pass towards the Gibralter area.)

Sometimes I find nothing. So be it.

Jimbuna · 04-09-10, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Snestorm

Usualy I'll try to reach my patrol grid via a short route, reasonably free of aircraft (IXaholic).
I stay on the surface as much as possible, and will respond to convoy reports issued via radio.

Once my time in grid is done, I MAY move closer to the nearest enemy port or coastline.

If there are still torpedoes available my route back will generaly be longer, crossing promising lanes. (If I've had a dud patrol off Afrika, I may make a pass towards the Gibralter area.)

Sometimes I find nothing. So be it.

You usually cannot fail when lurking 250km west of Gib

tankeriv · 04-09-10, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Riley

VERY good point sir,and yes,I am fully aware of that.I will just have to trust in lady luck,and keep away from the buggers if they appear

Personally I love to encounter a task force.
Especially those to meet head on and those early war.

The early ones contain fleet carriers or capital ships. Love to throw a bunch of torps at them and try to sink them.

Then get as deep as possible in my Type VII or Type IX and put down my speed to 2 knots. Never keeping a straight course. But to be honest. That usually works.

Unfortunately I do not have this all too often. But yes it does happen.

I once patrolled somewhere AL 91 or something and the sun was setting.
Suddenly I noticed some spots on the horizon. I quickly ordered my boat to dive and I went on recon myself with the "highly realistic" external camera. I saw three capital battleships and a bunch of destroyers and a cruiser.

They set course straight towards me.

So I plotted a course and rammed out two electric torpedoes. Still my rig was not running at all.
Straight away they started zigzagging after the two torps struck. (I was so happy they weren't duds!!!! (Early War Type IX boat and early electric torps)) Then when they came closer I rammed home four steam powered torpedoes and they all struck target with a big bang a revenge class went up into smokes! Immediately as they knew my position now I ordered crash dive and as I reached 100 metres I enabled silent running.

At a 120 metres I cut down the power to a two knots and that enabled me to slip away undetected.

I returned to the spot 12 hours later to find one enemy battleship disabled and listening heavily to port still on the spot.

So of course generously as I am I gave the guy another two torps ending its misery.

So that concluded that patrol finishing off two capital battleships.

Nice performance imho!!

Paul Riley · 04-09-10, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by tankeriv

Personally I love to encounter a task force.
Especially those to meet head on and those early war.

The early ones contain fleet carriers or capital ships. Love to throw a bunch of torps at them and try to sink them.

Then get as deep as possible in my Type VII or Type IX and put down my speed to 2 knots. Never keeping a straight course. But to be honest. That usually works.

Unfortunately I do not have this all too often. But yes it does happen.

I once patrolled somewhere AL 91 or something and the sun was setting.
Suddenly I noticed some spots on the horizon. I quickly ordered my boat to dive and I went on recon myself with the "highly realistic" external camera. I saw three capital battleships and a bunch of destroyers and a cruiser.

They set course straight towards me.

So I plotted a course and rammed out two electric torpedoes. Still my rig was not running at all.
Straight away they started zigzagging after the two torps struck. (I was so happy they weren't duds!!!! (Early War Type IX boat and early electric torps)) Then when they came closer I rammed home four steam powered torpedoes and they all struck target with a big bang a revenge class went up into smokes! Immediately as they knew my position now I ordered crash dive and as I reached 100 metres I enabled silent running.

At a 120 metres I cut down the power to a two knots and that enabled me to slip away undetected.

I returned to the spot 12 hours later to find one enemy battleship disabled and listening heavily to port still on the spot.

So of course generously as I am I gave the guy another two torps ending its misery.

So that concluded that patrol finishing off two capital battleships.

Nice performance imho!!

Nice work

sergei · 04-09-10, 06:43 AM

Good work Tankeriv.
In my two years of playing this (on and off), I have only managed to sink one capital ship.
Getting two in one patrol is fantastic

04-09-10, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

You usually cannot fail when lurking 250km west of Gib

You are so right, but I usualy follow temptation, and make a single pass up into the bottleneck. Then I head for the southwest corner of Spain on the way home.
(Some of my IXBs have done early war round trips into The Med. Although it's challenging, the number of warships about means most of the patrol must be done in real time. By the time I'm on the way out SH3 has exhausted me.)

ALWAYS, at 120 miles west of Gibralter, the lookouts are told to keep an eye peeled for Jimbuna's IXB. One day I'm going to meet you there.

Jimbuna · 04-09-10, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Snestorm

ALWAYS, at 120 miles west of Gibralter, the lookouts are told to keep an eye peeled for Jimbuna's IXB. One day I'm going to meet you there.

Looking forward to it Kaleun

Didd · 04-09-10, 04:32 PM

200 to 250 kms west of Gibraltar is rapidly becoming a firm favourite of mine too. Last patrol I bagged 4 of those large merchants - 48,000 tons from 8 eels. I was quite pleased with that.

04-09-10, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Didd

Last patrol I bagged 4 of those large merchants - 48,000 tons from 8 eels. I was quite pleased with that.

As well you should be. Good work.

LostDream · 04-09-10, 05:35 PM

Thank you all for the great advice and tips. I will make corrections to my SOP ASAP!

04-08-10, 06:34 AM	#1
LostDream Sailor man Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 46 Downloads: 72 Uploads: 0	Hunting Ein sehr guter Tag für euch alle! How do you guys hunt? I usually cruse no more then 120 the next one up. Run underwater at Ahead-Slow until my batteries are %50 dune, then surface and place a Watch Officer until Im fully recharge. Rinse and Repeat. This is heading into my patrol area, as well as when Im just doing a grid search for targets. Do you always follow the shipping lanes or pick a random course and see what you get? I have read about the "good" grids, AM51-52, BF I think its 14 or so, by the mouth of the channel. Do you just run those grids or really hunt for targets in the big blue ocean? Just wanting to know what the rest of my Wolf Pack is doing so I can adapt and maybe bring back to port and xtra 20-30 tons.

04-08-10, 07:29 AM	#3
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	I'll give you an example of my last hunt.My initial patrol orders were to patrol grid BF17 for 24hrs (a waste of time I know),which covers roughly the western approaches into Britain,just south of Ireland.After 24 hrs I decided to patrol my own sector,and decided I needed to find the main lanes a bit further to the west away from Britain and in deeper water,directly south of the south western tip of Ireland,this was and IS a major trade hub for shipping coming from Canada and USA. First,I decided to head for BF14 and when I reached the southern edge of the grid I would head north onto the northern edge of BF11 (roughly a 200km patrol corridor) moving submerged for most of the patrol (roughly 6-7 hours submerged) at 4kts.Moving submerged at about 30m you can pick distant contacts up a lot further than if you were relying on your watch crew.When the batteries had drained to 10% I surfaced and ran for about 4hrs or so at ahead standard while charging the batteries,which expended approx 200km or so of fuel,from a total of well over half the tank to start with.I had enough fuel at this rate to cover the short surface run for well over a week,and possibly more!.I also recorded how much fuel I would need for the return journey back to Wilhelmshaven,approx 2000km worth taking the short cut through the channel (very risky,but I made it through at the beginning of the patrol,but this will be the last time as patrols are increasing in that area now). After heading into the northern sector of BF11 I would again head south back into BF14 submerged,and recharged as neccessary when the batteries had drained to 10%. In this time I spent almost 2 weeks in the area and managed to sink 6 ships for a total of just under 37000 tonnes,including a very juicy whale factory ship for 12000 tonnes!. Thats the way I do it,pick an area that you expect to have high traffic (ideally at chokepoints and not too far from your initial 24hr patrol orders),usually this may cover one or more grid squares to patrol,then stick to your plan.And in my case I would only attack incoming ships,and ignore the outgoing,as my intention was to cut off supplies HEADING for Britain,and not going back to Canada.This adds to the realism factor.I am now about to enter the channel again after spending 17 days in total at sea with 2 stern torpedoes left and 150rds of HE ammo. You will realise the greatest threat from this method of patrolling is fuel,but if you work out how mank kms you cover surfaced while recharging for a 24hr period,deduct it from your current total of fuel left,then work out the surface totals for a week,and maybe two,you should have enough fuel to cover it,if your fuel notes and calculations are correct.It is better to dynamically patrol an area than to remain in one spot and hoping for traffic to come to you,the oceans are too vast for that approach.But once you are certain you have found a lane frequented by many ships you can then afford to hang around just off the track and wait for them to arrive You will certainly need patience,persistence,foresight and luck to patrol like this,but its very rewarding when it works. Good hunting! __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

04-08-10, 09:45 AM	#4
JohnnyBlaze Officer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 247 Downloads: 205 Uploads: 0	Hi, Paul! I don't mean to bash your patrolling technique, but don't you think it's a bit dangerous to drain the battery 90% before recharging? What if a task force enters your area when you only have 10% of your batteries left? Let's think of a scenario when an aircraft carrier based fighters sweep the area and spot you on the surface right after you've surfaced to recharge and force you under. With no power in the batteries, you can't change position submerged and you know that them destroyers are coming.. Happened to me once in 1943 and yes the bastards found me. Just a heads up, you know -JB __________________

04-08-10, 06:32 PM	#6
Snestorm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Usualy I'll try to reach my patrol grid via a short route, reasonably free of aircraft (IXaholic). I stay on the surface as much as possible, and will respond to convoy reports issued via radio. Once my time in grid is done, I MAY move closer to the nearest enemy port or coastline. If there are still torpedoes available my route back will generaly be longer, crossing promising lanes. (If I've had a dud patrol off Afrika, I may make a pass towards the Gibralter area.) Sometimes I find nothing. So be it.

04-09-10, 06:43 AM	#10
sergei Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: London UK Posts: 1,788 Downloads: 405 Uploads: 29	Good work Tankeriv. In my two years of playing this (on and off), I have only managed to sink one capital ship. Getting two in one patrol is fantastic

04-09-10, 04:32 PM	#13
Didd Seaman Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Orkney Posts: 33 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	200 to 250 kms west of Gibraltar is rapidly becoming a firm favourite of mine too. Last patrol I bagged 4 of those large merchants - 48,000 tons from 8 eels. I was quite pleased with that.

04-09-10, 05:35 PM	#15
LostDream Sailor man Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 46 Downloads: 72 Uploads: 0	Thank you all for the great advice and tips. I will make corrections to my SOP ASAP!