VIIb or VIIc?

ALOTEF · 04-05-10, 06:46 AM

Hey guys.
The thread name is pretty self-explanatory.
I have reached 1941 in my career, but have to make a decision. Upgrade to the VIIc, or keep to the VIIb?

VIIb.
Pros: Faster dive times, speed, and lighter weight.
Cons: Not as many attachments. (Conning towers, Guns etc.)

VIIc:
Pros: Lots of attachments...
Cons: Slower dive times, less speed, and heavier.

So, what do you think?
Regards,
Mike.

KL-alfman · 04-05-10, 06:51 AM

the VIIC has a better crush-depth too, I guess.

Tom · 04-05-10, 07:08 AM

I thought the VIIc dived faster than the VIIb. 27 secs for the VIIc and 30 secs for the VIIb, if I recall correctly. This, I think, is the most important difference between the two. Evasion is generally a better option against aircraft than shooting back at them, especially later in the war, so the better late game flak armament of the VIIc isn't really that important.

Crush depths are the same I think, at least the factory test depth is 150 m.

In any case, the differences are minimal.

Paul Riley · 04-05-10, 07:08 AM

Personally I would favour speed and better dive times,so if your stats for each UBoat are correct then the VIIB would be the better choice.If however you like the extra armament then the VIIC would be your choice.
In a nutshell,performance saves lives,especially against severe air threats.

How does the VIIC 41 compare to the above stats?

EDIT: I thought the VIIC had better performance and dive times?

Paul Riley · 04-05-10, 07:14 AM

Some useful info

Type VIIB http://www.uboat.net/types/viib.htm
Type VIIC http://www.uboat.net/types/viic.htm
Type VIIC/41 http://www.uboat.net/types/viic-41.htm

sergei · 04-05-10, 07:28 AM

Or save the renown for when the VIIC/41 becomes available.
That can dive deeper.

Paul Riley · 04-05-10, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sergei

Or save the renown for when the VIIC/41 becomes available.
That can dive deeper.

Apparently by an extra 50m!

If that is the case and I have managed to reach 220m in my VIIB then that pushes the limit to almost 300m!

STEED · 04-05-10, 07:42 AM

I would go with VII/B, crash dive faster and to hell with the machine guns I'm not messing with angry Ailed planes.

Paul Riley · 04-05-10, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED

I would go with VII/B, crash dive faster and to hell with the machine guns I'm not messing with angry Ailed planes.

Me neither,I have had to disinfect the conning tower many times in the past caused by badly torn up watch crew from plane gunfire

Stay alert,get down fast,stay down for about 1 hr or so,quick listen on the hydrophone,all round scan on both scopes at normal and high magnification,breach at high speed,pray it doesnt happen again...thats my motto.

Reinhard Dietz · 04-05-10, 11:20 AM

I vaguely recall some mention that stock SHIII had certain aspects of the differences between the Type VII (B, C, C/41) boats wrong and that there was an easy fix out there somewhere.

Since I've gotten bombed a bunch of times in April 1940, I could use a faster-diving boat, and I wanted to make sure that the (historical?) faster diving of the VIIC was accurately represented before I went and got one. (It's my understanding that the VIIC/41 is most accurately represented by a mod of which I know nothing; is that right?)

Any information's appreciated, since I can't count on Hurricanes to keep crashing while running in.

Brag · 04-05-10, 04:27 PM

Go for VIIB, save renown to get a IX a bit later

krashkart · 04-05-10, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED

I would go with VII/B, crash dive faster and to hell with the machine guns I'm not messing with angry Ailed planes.

Those darn B-24's. I've lost a few crew and conning towers to them.

Go with what works best for you, but later in the war you will probably be spending less time on the surface. My current campaign is in early 1943, based in Brest. Daylight is no fun anymore when you're in areas covered by air patrols. I spend most days submerged, and most nights on the surface with my finger close to the "C" key.

Uboat crews must have had iron cahones I tells ya.

Jimbuna · 04-06-10, 07:39 AM

VIIC....more upgrades, then 'tweak' the DeltaRenown and get an IX asap

Paul Riley · 04-06-10, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krashkart

Uboat crews must have had iron cahones I tells ya.

I heard a myth once that their *ahem* balls (thats not swearing is it?) were made from old depth charge casings,with the charges still intact!

ALOTEF · 04-06-10, 08:15 AM

'Fire down below!'

04-05-10, 06:46 AM	#1
ALOTEF Watch Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 28 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	VIIb or VIIc? Hey guys. The thread name is pretty self-explanatory. I have reached 1941 in my career, but have to make a decision. Upgrade to the VIIc, or keep to the VIIb? VIIb. Pros: Faster dive times, speed, and lighter weight. Cons: Not as many attachments. (Conning towers, Guns etc.) VIIc: Pros: Lots of attachments... Cons: Slower dive times, less speed, and heavier. So, what do you think? Regards, Mike.

04-05-10, 06:51 AM	#2
KL-alfman Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Weimar Posts: 930 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	the VIIC has a better crush-depth too, I guess. __________________ Life, Liberty and Property!

04-05-10, 07:08 AM	#4
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Personally I would favour speed and better dive times,so if your stats for each UBoat are correct then the VIIB would be the better choice.If however you like the extra armament then the VIIC would be your choice. In a nutshell,performance saves lives,especially against severe air threats. How does the VIIC 41 compare to the above stats? EDIT: I thought the VIIC had better performance and dive times? __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

04-05-10, 07:14 AM	#5
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	UBoat stats Some useful info Type VIIB http://www.uboat.net/types/viib.htm Type VIIC http://www.uboat.net/types/viic.htm Type VIIC/41 http://www.uboat.net/types/viic-41.htm __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

04-05-10, 07:42 AM	#8
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	I would go with VII/B, crash dive faster and to hell with the machine guns I'm not messing with angry Ailed planes. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

04-05-10, 07:08 AM	#3
Tom Gunner Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 97 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I thought the VIIc dived faster than the VIIb. 27 secs for the VIIc and 30 secs for the VIIb, if I recall correctly. This, I think, is the most important difference between the two. Evasion is generally a better option against aircraft than shooting back at them, especially later in the war, so the better late game flak armament of the VIIc isn't really that important. Crush depths are the same I think, at least the factory test depth is 150 m. In any case, the differences are minimal.

04-05-10, 07:28 AM	#6
sergei Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: London UK Posts: 1,788 Downloads: 405 Uploads: 29	Or save the renown for when the VIIC/41 becomes available. That can dive deeper.

04-05-10, 11:20 AM	#10
Reinhard Dietz Machinist's Mate Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Lorient Posts: 121 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	I vaguely recall some mention that stock SHIII had certain aspects of the differences between the Type VII (B, C, C/41) boats wrong and that there was an easy fix out there somewhere. Since I've gotten bombed a bunch of times in April 1940, I could use a faster-diving boat, and I wanted to make sure that the (historical?) faster diving of the VIIC was accurately represented before I went and got one. (It's my understanding that the VIIC/41 is most accurately represented by a mod of which I know nothing; is that right?) Any information's appreciated, since I can't count on Hurricanes to keep crashing while running in. __________________ Reinhard Dietz U-126 2. Unterseebootsflottille, Lorient

04-05-10, 04:27 PM	#11
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Go for VIIB, save renown to get a IX a bit later __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

04-06-10, 07:39 AM	#13
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,481 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	VIIC....more upgrades, then 'tweak' the DeltaRenown and get an IX asap __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-06-10, 08:15 AM	#15
ALOTEF Watch Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 28 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	'Fire down below!'