this is how they should do Silent Hunter

[skip]

Its a real shame that UBI couldnt follow Esims business model with how they deal with their tank sim steel beasts, meaning that I wished that UBI had released Silent Hunter V then at regular intervals say every 6 months or so would release new content upgrade which would have new features, improved graphics, addressed bugs etc which would be sold for a reasonable price.

This way we could end up with the ultimate sub sim and ubi could have a steady income.

[JU_88]

if an expansion came out for SH2 in 2010, do you think many will buy it?

Steel Beasts is a 10 year old game, ALOT has changed since then. Back in 2000 your average games retailer had several shelves of asorted simulators for the PC, now you are lucky to find one with several shelves of PC games period.

Fact is, sims are not as popular as they once were, look at the success of the Wii - casual and retro style games seem to be all the rage. While 360 and PS3 can compete with the average PC in terms of eye candy.
In General, the PC seems to have lost its edge over the consoles as the games platform of choice, throw in spiraling hardware requirments & costs/ bugs/ patches/ piracy/ DRM into the mix and its not really hard to see why.

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Steel Beasts is a 10 year old game, ALOT has changed since then.
Back in 2000 your average games retailer had several shelves of asorted simulators for the PC, now you are lucky to find one with several shelves of PC games period.

Fact is, sims are not as popular as they once were, look at the success of the Wii - casual and retro style games seem to be all the rage. PCs have lost their edge over the consoles as the games platform of choice, throw in spiraling hardware requirments & costs/ bugs/ patches/ piracy/ DRM into the mix and its not really hard to see why.

JU88 Best I've heard it explained in a long time.
Easy for even the slow to understand.

[Lord Justice]

Originally Posted by skip

I wished that UBI had released Silent Hunter V then at regular intervals say every 6 months or so would release new content upgrade which would have new features, improved graphics, addressed bugs etc which would be sold for a reasonable price.

This way we could end up with the ultimate sub sim and ubi could have a steady income.

Sir Skip, perhaps, but i trust some fine members (Moderators) within our community are already exercising or prepairing their skills to these matters (apparent wishes) already.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by 4Para

Sir Skip, perhaps, but i trust some fine members (Moderators) within our community are already exercising or prepairing their skills to these matters (apparent wishes) already.

Yes the 'Modder' -that is the biggest ace up the PC gamers sleave that console gamers cant match

[Méo]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Yes the 'Modder' -that is the biggest ace up the PC gamers sleave that console gamers cant match

And now the question is:

What is the best way we (people who don't have sufficient skills, time, experience, etc.) could support the 'Modder'?

Any idea..

(of course make a donation to subsim is always good, but I thought maybe we could do something else)

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Méo

And now the question is:

What is the best way we (people who don't have sufficient skills, time, experience, etc.) could support the 'Modder'?

Any idea..

(of course make a donation to subsim is always good, but I thought maybe we could do something else)

Yep
Make some time, learn the skills, gain experience, get stuck in and share the load!
Anyone can learn a little bit.
There is no other way - you cannot start paying a modder, (at least not in public ) it would be a disaster and probably result in bad feelings and a lawsuit or 10.
The Publisher would go nuts if you didnt get their permission, modifiying the contents of licensed software and distributing it for FREE is already treading on thin ice from a legal perspective.
But 'FREE' is the only reason they are cool with us doing it - generally speaking.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Yep
Make some time, learn the skills, gain experience, get stuck in and share the load! (Anyone can learn a little bit)

Alright, but I may ask some help/advice, maybe even ask silly questions..

Is there a ''Modding for dummies'' ..

Sh!t... it really exists!!! http://www.amazon.com/Modding-Dummie.../dp/0764575767

No.. not really about it..

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by JU_88

.. share the load!

Having a huge workload will wear any modder out fast. I think very few people have any idea how much work goes into some of the mods, let alone a supermod. I know i won't ever attempt what i did in SH4 ever again, it's just too much work. Nobody here will probably believe it, but for awhile, between my normal RL job, and modding at night, i was having 18 to 20 hour days for a week or two at a time.

edit:

Originally Posted by JU_88

People will always disagree on what and how it should be done or driven

One reason why i never tried to form an official team with TMO.

[Jan Kyster]

Originally Posted by Méo

And now the question is:

What is the best way we (people who don't have sufficient skills, time, experience, etc.) could 'support' the Modder?

Any idea..

Wonder if Neal has some extra space in the basement? Perhaps next to the - apparently enormeous - brig?

Then I would say, lock them up and keep them hungry!