How did they do it?? (politics)

[SteamWake]

As you may or not be aware of the Senate passed its first vote on the health care bill while you slept.

Yup another Sundaty in the middle of the night vote while most media outlets are on autopilot and certain commentators are on vacation the vote is passed.

But how did they get the votes? There was a lot of contention and outright doubt that they could get enough votes... So how did they do it?

Well they did it the good old American Way... they bought it.

WASHINGTON -- A $100 million item for construction of a university hospital was inserted in the Senate health care bill at the request of Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election campaign, his office said Sunday night.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...122002956.html

Let me give Mr. Dodd a little advice. If you think its tough now you just wait... dont buy a house

[August]

They have no shame.

[SteamWake]

They are way beyond 'shame' they hold you in contempt.

Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) today took shots at those who are not supporting the health care legislation. During a floor speech, he excoriated Senate GOP members for up holding the pending health care bill and accused their supporters of being birthers and fanatics in right-wing militia and Aryan support groups. He started off by citing an editorial from the Manchester Journal Inquirer, which used insults like "lunatic fringe."

http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/w...are-birthers-/

Never mind the fact that recent polling shows that nearly 60% of american voters do not want this legislation in its current form.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...th_care_reform

So much for representative goverment.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

So much for representative goverment.

Representative government =/= voting according to polls. Representative democracy means you don't have a direct say in the matter - your elected representative does.

In fact, what you're suggesting can be construed as socialist. A government ruled by the proletariat is a socialist concept: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictato...he_proletariat

[AVGWarhawk]

All they want to do is make history and feel good about themselves. It does not matter who stands in their way. Welcome to...."I want my legacy and I do not care how I get it." Sadly, the bill still contains a charge for abortion. $1.00/month towards abortion. Sorry, I do not want to pay $12.00/year for abortions.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Representative government =/= voting according to polls. Representative democracy means you don't have a direct say in the matter - your elected representative does.

In fact, what you're suggesting can be construed as socialist. A government ruled by the proletariat is a socialist concept: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictato...he_proletariat

We put these pepole in office with the expectations that they will vote our will, not do whatever they think is best against our will.

This is a clear cut case of the goverment going against the wishes of the majority of the pepole. It will ultimatly end up in their demise but at what cost?

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Isn't this a bill no one likes, except the insurance companies?

[Buddahaid]

Since when our representatives have to follow the people's majority? That's not how it works,or ever really has. If you want an example of the people making government decisions, look at California's system and see how that works.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Since when our representatives have to follow the people's majority? That's not how it works,or ever really has. If you want an example of the people making government decisions, look at California's system and see how that works.

You mean the referendum system that allows people to make all kinds of wacky changes to California law w/out considering the consequences (e.g., like how to pay for something, or removing revenue streams which pay for existing programs)?

The runnaway truck is gaining speed.
How long before the inevitable crash?

@Steamwake:
Thanks for the connection to The Rasmussen Report.
Good information source.

[August]

My solution to Representatives that won't represent:

[SteamWake]

When you get right down to it one of the main problems with elected officals is the voters.

Either through ignorance or apathy the incumbents have a re-election rate of nearly 90% regardless of their party, voting records, or stances.

"We the pepole" evidently dont know or dont care.

Something tells me though that that statistic is about to change.

[AVGWarhawk]

Term limits.

[Platapus]

One useless man is called a disgrace
Two useless men are called a Law Firm
Three or more useless men are called a congress
- often miss-attributed to John Addams.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

You mean the referendum system that allows people to make all kinds of wacky changes to California law w/out considering the consequences (e.g., like how to pay for something, or removing revenue streams which pay for existing programs)?

That's the point.