Obama approves troop surge...

SteamWake · 10-14-09, 11:38 AM

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WASHINGTON (AFP) – President Barack Obama has approved the deployment of an additional 13,000 US troops to Afghanistan beyond the 21,000 he announced publicly in March, The Washington Post reported Tuesday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091013...militarytroops

Dowly · 10-14-09, 12:01 PM

More meat to the grinder.

AVGWarhawk · 10-14-09, 12:39 PM

Welcome to Obama's war

ETR3(SS) · 10-14-09, 03:25 PM

Clearly the tactic that should have been employed all along was a zerg rush. Effective in Starcraft, so why not RL?

SteamWake · 10-14-09, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Clearly the tactic that should have been employed all along was a zerg rush. Effective in Starcraft, so why not RL?

Because Starcraft is a game?

AVGWarhawk · 10-14-09, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Because Starcraft is a game?

GoldenRivet · 10-14-09, 04:36 PM

funny.

no G.W. Bush style booing and hissing

whats with that?

longam · 10-14-09, 04:43 PM

Were running out of troops, they better make some more. We are getting spread pretty thin around the world.

Skybird · 10-14-09, 04:59 PM

One could say: about time. Just too late, and I doubt it is sufficient.

One also needs to rename it, because it now is more a war on and in Pakistan than anything else.

Since YEARS I am preaching that the road to winning in Afghanistan, however unlikely that has already become, leads over neutralising Pakistan. And the enemy in Pakistan is two-folded: the Taliban, and their supporting smypathisers inside the structure of the armed forces and the intelligence services. The existence of the latter is what makes any prospect of lasting victory extremely unlikely. For that you would need to wage war against Pakistan itself.

I think the window of opportunity for Afghanistan has closed already many years ago, and the first step towards that outcome was shifting the battle focus from Afghanistan to Iraq. Now it is just about saving one's face by delaying admittance of failure as long as possible, at best cosmetical corrections of a failed outcome.

I tend to think that any troops being left there, are willed to be put at risk for nothing.

Deserting under such conditions imo becomes an at least morally legitimate option. If the government betrays it's obligations for the wellbeing of the troops and their legitimate and just committment, then the troops must no longer feel bounded to their obligations to that government in return. Because that obligation is a two-way road.

Quite drastic, but I stick to it.

Western nations should be forbidden to wage wars. They are too stupid for it.

Skybird · 10-14-09, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by longam

Were running out of troops, they better make some more. We are getting spread pretty thin around the world.

Have you never wondered why the Russians in the 90s almost invited, at least accepted it without resistance when you established that chain of military bases along their former southern provinces and around China?

JHuschke · 10-14-09, 05:20 PM

Maybe he'll approve of his own assassination..

Dowly · 10-14-09, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

funny.

no G.W. Bush style booing and hissing

whats with that?

We've booed and cried for so many years already that we are too tired to do it for another 8 years.

ETR3(SS) · 10-14-09, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Deserting under such conditions imo becomes an at least morally legitimate option. If the government betrays it's obligations for the wellbeing of the troops and their legitimate and just committment, then the troops must no longer feel bounded to their obligations to that government in return. Because that obligation is a two-way road.

I don't know how they do it in Germany, but here in the US you better stand by to go to Court Martial. When you enlist in the military here you swear an oath and sign a contract stating that you will follow all orders of your superiors. The only time you can defy orders is if it violates the Geneva Convention. That's why a lot of us denounce these guys that say that Iraq and Afghanistan are unlawful wars. They are violating their oath and contract of service.

SteamWake · 10-14-09, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JHuschke

Maybe he'll approve of his own assassination..

Holy bleep !

Skybird · 10-14-09, 06:56 PM

I made a moral argument, ETR3, to illustrate that sending troops into a war that is a betraying effort in itself and an abuse of these troops is an illegal act in itself. In other words: if the civilian authority giving orders to the army fails by intention, it shall not complain if people wearing uniforms are no longer willing to follow orders that put their lifes at risk just to save the skin of some political a$$####s.

And Pakistan slowly but surely becomes a risk that can no longer even be calculated. We will regret in the future that we allowed that to happen.

10-14-09, 12:39 PM	#3
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10-14-09, 04:59 PM	#9
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,603 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	One could say: about time. Just too late, and I doubt it is sufficient. One also needs to rename it, because it now is more a war on and in Pakistan than anything else. Since YEARS I am preaching that the road to winning in Afghanistan, however unlikely that has already become, leads over neutralising Pakistan. And the enemy in Pakistan is two-folded: the Taliban, and their supporting smypathisers inside the structure of the armed forces and the intelligence services. The existence of the latter is what makes any prospect of lasting victory extremely unlikely. For that you would need to wage war against Pakistan itself. I think the window of opportunity for Afghanistan has closed already many years ago, and the first step towards that outcome was shifting the battle focus from Afghanistan to Iraq. Now it is just about saving one's face by delaying admittance of failure as long as possible, at best cosmetical corrections of a failed outcome. I tend to think that any troops being left there, are willed to be put at risk for nothing. Deserting under such conditions imo becomes an at least morally legitimate option. If the government betrays it's obligations for the wellbeing of the troops and their legitimate and just committment, then the troops must no longer feel bounded to their obligations to that government in return. Because that obligation is a two-way road. Quite drastic, but I stick to it. Western nations should be forbidden to wage wars. They are too stupid for it. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-14-09, 06:56 PM	#15
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,603 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I made a moral argument, ETR3, to illustrate that sending troops into a war that is a betraying effort in itself and an abuse of these troops is an illegal act in itself. In other words: if the civilian authority giving orders to the army fails by intention, it shall not complain if people wearing uniforms are no longer willing to follow orders that put their lifes at risk just to save the skin of some political a$$####s. And Pakistan slowly but surely becomes a risk that can no longer even be calculated. We will regret in the future that we allowed that to happen. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	More meat to the grinder.

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longam Admiral Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,014 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Were running out of troops, they better make some more. We are getting spread pretty thin around the world.

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JHuschke XO Join Date: May 2008 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 432 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Maybe he'll approve of his own assassination..